[the_doctah]

Yes, I know because Stan Lee created the X-men, people love to claim Marvel was always super progressive. I'm sorry, but that simply is not the case, and you are wrong. 99% of comic books I own have zero trace of your supposed progressivism.

[TMWNN]

>Yes, I know because Stan Lee created the X-men, people love to claim Marvel was always super progressive. I'm sorry, but that simply is not the case, and you are wrong. 99% of comic books I own have zero trace of your supposed progressivism.

Correct.

Marvel and DC comics up to a few years ago, and the pre-Discovery Star Trek franchise, shared a broad-church liberal view of the world. Stories that explicitly pushed an agenda for the sake of agenda-pushing were mocked by fans, and other writers would ignore them or explicitly retcon the stories out.

Now we have (no joke) a transvestite member of the Legion of Super-Heroes travel 1000 years to the present day to march in a Pride parade.

[wnevets]

What's an example of Disney "progressivism" that didn't exist in Pre-Disney Marvel?

[the_doctah]

Race and gender swapping every established popular character? Checklist casting? Butchering She-Hulk and The Wasp with this insane "girl boss" fetish (Let's not forget the cringe girlboss moment from Endgame)? Making shows like "Echo" and "Agatha Harkness" that appeal to almost no one for the sake of having female leads?

This isn't even considering the comics, which as an industry, has been dying because of all the same behaviors. Last I heard The Punisher's wife came back from the dead to berate him for killing people and to divorce him.

Who wants to read that tripe? Who wants to listen to Ant-man's annoying daughter lecture people? No one.

[wnevets]

> Race and gender swapping every established popular character?

What exactly makes that "progressivism"? Also why don't you consider characters like X-23 a gender swapped Wolverine?

[the_doctah]

You don't think diversity is progressive? Also, yes of course I consider X-23 to be a gender swapped Wolverine.

[positron6000]

wait wait wait - you think that the characters not being all white men is "progressive"? that would mean that reality is progressive, right?

[wnevets]

Not only is "diversity" not new for Marvel but X-23 was created prior to the Disney purchase.

[the_doctah]

One data point does not make a trend. Post-Disney is when the trend started. Also a downward trend... of sales.