[the_doctah]

Race and gender swapping every established popular character? Checklist casting? Butchering She-Hulk and The Wasp with this insane "girl boss" fetish (Let's not forget the cringe girlboss moment from Endgame)? Making shows like "Echo" and "Agatha Harkness" that appeal to almost no one for the sake of having female leads?

This isn't even considering the comics, which as an industry, has been dying because of all the same behaviors. Last I heard The Punisher's wife came back from the dead to berate him for killing people and to divorce him.

Who wants to read that tripe? Who wants to listen to Ant-man's annoying daughter lecture people? No one.

[wnevets]

> Race and gender swapping every established popular character?

What exactly makes that "progressivism"? Also why don't you consider characters like X-23 a gender swapped Wolverine?

[the_doctah]

You don't think diversity is progressive? Also, yes of course I consider X-23 to be a gender swapped Wolverine.

[positron6000]

wait wait wait - you think that the characters not being all white men is "progressive"? that would mean that reality is progressive, right?

[wnevets]

Not only is "diversity" not new for Marvel but X-23 was created prior to the Disney purchase.

[the_doctah]

One data point does not make a trend. Post-Disney is when the trend started. Also a downward trend... of sales.

[wnevets]

> One data point does not make a trend.

How many have to exist before it can be considered "progressivism"/"diversity" then? Also can you provide those examples that occurred post-Disney? As a huge marvel fan it should be easy for you do. As someone who isn't a huge marvel fan I can think of several off the top of my head that occurred pre-Disney.

[the_doctah]

    Miles Morales (Spider-Man), original character: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, first appearance: 2011
    Jane Foster (Thor), original character: Thor Odinson, first appearance: 2014
    Riri Williams (Ironheart), original character: Tony Stark/Iron Man, first appearance: 2016
    Laura Kinney (X-23), original character: Logan/Wolverine, first appearance: 2004
    Sam Wilson (Captain America), original character: Steve Rogers/Captain America, first appearance: 2014
    Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 2012
    Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 1982
    America Chavez (Miss America), original character: Joey Chapman/Miss America, first appearance: 2011
    Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel), original character: Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel, first appearance: 2013
    Kate Bishop (Hawkeye), original character: Clint Barton/Hawkeye, first appearance: 2005
    Gwen Stacy (Spider-Woman, aka Spider-Gwen), original character: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, first appearance: 2014