[Jun8]

Can we please please stop being hypersensitive about "sexist language", which pronoun to use, etc and leave this to English majors. The words "boy" and "girl" are usually used for endearment, as they are here. Many female hacker groups have the word "girl"are in their title. Of course these terms terms have been used in a deragotary sense until recently, e.g. watch any episode of Mad Men. That doesn't mean that they should ne banned.

[hythloday]

No-one is talking about "banning", it's a bit weird you'd use that word. But that you missed that the article doesn't have the word "boy" is the reason people object to the word "girl" in that context.

[Jun8]

I was referring to the "rule" given in the parent comment about not using the word girl in professional contexts (also implied that it shouldn't be used in other contexts, as well). My point is that stating (or making up) such rules without context is not useful. As an example consider the rule "Man must wear ties in a professional setting". Well, there are many of cases where this rule applies, but many other ones where it seems stuck up to wear a tie, you just have to adjust to the context you're in.

As to why the article does not use the word boy:

1. As I said, such terms are usually used as endearment, for the group you belong to. Phrases like "Us girls can program, too", or "Boys, let's go get this YC interview" are common and you cannot replace women and men in these contexts. I think the OP was using girl in this sense in her post.

2. The correct counterpart to the use of girl seems to be guy (although there are phrases like "old boy's network", etc.) mainly, I think, because of alliteration. Some opponents to sexist language are offended by guy, too.

To reiterate my point, as hackers let us think about and then act rather than regurgitate rules that may be dictated by others. Let us not do simple string matching for offensive words but set our regular expressions wide to check the context that words are being used.

P.S. An interesting parallel to this discussion would be the debate on the use of the N-word, which is considered taboo by many but used by others freely.

[hythloday]

It's funny you should mention ties, I thought of exactly the same analogy. :)

But again, I think it's frankly weird that when someone makes a request for consensus you start talking about "rules" that are "dictated" that "ban" speech. Would you call a co-worker who was older than you "mum"? Probably not. Are you "banned" from doing so? No. Was that a "rule" that was "dictated"? No.

I'll just point this out:

The words "boy" and "girl" are usually used for endearment The correct counterpart to the use of girl seems to be guy

From my point of view (and I don't mean this insultingly--I have felt almost identically and it wasn't out of malice), your concern to not be dictated to is not a resistance to authority but an (unconscious) attempt to perpetuate a sexist status quo.

[deathwarmedover]

You caveat that last point well, but I think you're just speculating on this person's subconscious motivations and assuming the worst.

I felt similarly that the original comment was not a request for consensus, but more of a loaded question implying that it's never ok to call an adult woman a girl (which is why I asked the OP to elaborate elsewhere in the thread).

[georgieporgie]

I'll not allow you to invalidate my statement by dismissing me as hypersensitive. That's a lousy tactic you're trying to use.

Addressing an adult human using a child's label is condescending, period. I certainly don't appreciate being called a boy, and I haven't referred to a female colleague as a girl since I was in my teens. Further, if you haven't noticed the consistent way in which comments here have used the words men and girls then I think you're not reading very closely.

[Jun8]

  > ... invalidate my statement by dismissing me as hypersensitive

I wasn't trying to invalidate your statement, just pointing out that, to me, it is hypersensitive. You might disagree.

  > Addressing an adult human using a child's label is condescending, period

However, you have to base your argument on something other than "I said so". That makes your comment just a statement rather than an argument.

  > I certainly don't appreciate being called a boy ...

The question here is not what person X likes or does not like as a form of address but if such an address can be used in general, in any context.

  > comments here have used the words men and girls

On the men vs. girls issue, I wonder what you think of my comments above.