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by 80hd 1123 days ago
>I'm seriously asking

I'm not sure I believe that. Is human-like intelligence not valuable to you?

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Frankly, no. I much prefer interacting with humans than with machines, and I emphasize interacting. A machine does what you tell it - it will not enlighten you, will not surprise you, will not create new knowledge.
Sure it will.

In the game of go, the machine routinely enlightens and surprises all the top players. It creates new knowledge in the form of inventing new joseki which turn out to be better than the established ones.

I'd like to spend more time doing that and less time writing the more basic parts of code.
For me "human" is the key part tho...
Why?

Intelligence is good for problem solving. You have a problem you need solved. Do you prefer a human do it rather than a machine? Why?

Ultimately it is always human that does it, unless you say machine has free will.

In this case there is a tool that can make human more efficient. But there are other tools as well, which I think are more interesting.

Imagine if human intelligence is like physical ability to move. AI tools are like personal mobility chairs. Over time the ability to move only atrophies. But other tools are like bicycles and skateboards. They help move faster while still requiring exercise.

> Ultimately it is always human that does it, unless you say machine has free will.

What does free will have to do with any of this? If I ask a machine what is 7 + 6 and it tells me 13, does that mean it has free will?

In my point of view, intelligence and consciousness are orthogonal concepts. I'm not even sure what "free will" means.

> What does free will have to do with any of this

You say in your original comment "do you want a machine to solve a problem?" but this is attribution error. A tool never solves the problem. It can only help you, an intelligent being, solve the problem.

Whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it, so we can come back to this when machine can proactively put forward problems. (Aka have free will, agency and all that.)

> If I ask a machine what is 7 + 6 and it tells me 13, does that mean it has free will?

No, but machine did not solve the problem. It only calculated 6 + 7.

If you have 13 dollars and want to buy two things for 7 and 6 dollars, that is a problem you can solve. Machine can tell you 7 + 6, but it is you who solves the problem. Choosing to use some machine or another is part of your solution.

> In my point of view, intelligence and consciousness are orthogonal concepts.

Then what is "intelligence". I think it's one of the least understood word thrown around today. If there is a principal difference between "AI" and a calculator I want to know what it is.

> Whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it…

This does not compute, saying the person who poses the problem is credited for the solution is not how things work. Well, outside of politics that is.

I think it’s been fairly well proven that the robots can problem solve.

Why? I would think the key part is what it can do, not what hardware it runs on.

If you just haven't yet found how you can make use of the current stuff, keep in mind this discussion is always extrapolating what happens if the technology gets much better.