[throwaway290]

Ultimately it is always human that does it, unless you say machine has free will.

In this case there is a tool that can make human more efficient. But there are other tools as well, which I think are more interesting.

Imagine if human intelligence is like physical ability to move. AI tools are like personal mobility chairs. Over time the ability to move only atrophies. But other tools are like bicycles and skateboards. They help move faster while still requiring exercise.

[tasuki]

> Ultimately it is always human that does it, unless you say machine has free will.

What does free will have to do with any of this? If I ask a machine what is 7 + 6 and it tells me 13, does that mean it has free will?

In my point of view, intelligence and consciousness are orthogonal concepts. I'm not even sure what "free will" means.

[throwaway290]

> What does free will have to do with any of this

You say in your original comment "do you want a machine to solve a problem?" but this is attribution error. A tool never solves the problem. It can only help you, an intelligent being, solve the problem.

Whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it, so we can come back to this when machine can proactively put forward problems. (Aka have free will, agency and all that.)

> If I ask a machine what is 7 + 6 and it tells me 13, does that mean it has free will?

No, but machine did not solve the problem. It only calculated 6 + 7.

If you have 13 dollars and want to buy two things for 7 and 6 dollars, that is a problem you can solve. Machine can tell you 7 + 6, but it is you who solves the problem. Choosing to use some machine or another is part of your solution.

> In my point of view, intelligence and consciousness are orthogonal concepts.

Then what is "intelligence". I think it's one of the least understood word thrown around today. If there is a principal difference between "AI" and a calculator I want to know what it is.

[UncleEntity]

> Whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it…

This does not compute, saying the person who poses the problem is credited for the solution is not how things work. Well, outside of politics that is.

I think it’s been fairly well proven that the robots can problem solve.

[throwaway290]

quick quiz to check if you read the rest: 1) What was the actual problem and why? 2) Who actually solved that problem? 3) What acted as a tool in the process?

[UncleEntity]

I was randomly watching the YouTubes earlier and they were talking about the magic square [0].

If I were to instruct the robots to mathematically solve this for some value humans have been unable to do so far who do you believe is responsible for the solution, the human asking the question or the AI coming up with the solution?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square

[throwaway290]

The human picking the right calculator (built by other humans) for the challenge (identified possibly by other humans) obviously?

Remove the human who asked the question and there is no question and therefore there is no possibility of answer.

Same reason why if you write a random number and find 5 years later that it is also the solution for some difficult math problem it does not make you first to solve it. Same reason why a million monkeys with typewriters who in a million years wrote a letter for letter copy of Snow Crash did not actually write Snow Crash.