[UncleEntity]

> Whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it…

This does not compute, saying the person who poses the problem is credited for the solution is not how things work. Well, outside of politics that is.

I think it’s been fairly well proven that the robots can problem solve.

[throwaway290]

quick quiz to check if you read the rest: 1) What was the actual problem and why? 2) Who actually solved that problem? 3) What acted as a tool in the process?

[UncleEntity]

I was randomly watching the YouTubes earlier and they were talking about the magic square [0].

If I were to instruct the robots to mathematically solve this for some value humans have been unable to do so far who do you believe is responsible for the solution, the human asking the question or the AI coming up with the solution?

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_square

[throwaway290]

The human picking the right calculator (built by other humans) for the challenge (identified possibly by other humans) obviously?

Remove the human who asked the question and there is no question and therefore there is no possibility of answer.

Same reason why if you write a random number and find 5 years later that it is also the solution for some difficult math problem it does not make you first to solve it. Same reason why a million monkeys with typewriters who in a million years wrote a letter for letter copy of Snow Crash did not actually write Snow Crash.

[tasuki]

This explains all the "AI artists" who think they're amazing artists because they wrote a prompt and had DALL-E generate a beautiful picture.

[throwaway290]

I don't care what they think but it's terrible how they devalue the work of actual artists this way. What enables these "artists" is copyright abuse by the company that made dall-e. Without exploitation of actual artist work there would be no dall-e. As long as we condone such copyright abuse those "artists" will flourish

[tasuki]

So if there was DALL-E but not trained on copyrighted data, that would be ok?

Previously you mentioned that a tool never solves a problem. Also you said that "whoever puts forward the problem can be credited with solving it". So it would indeed be the "AI artists" "creating" the images that deserve all the praise...