| > Reality is important, and repeated denials of reality, like yours, are dangerous and can mislead people
> you're dancing around the fact that you lie and mislead people, and you don't want to be held accountable for that What a mix of arrogance and ignorance. My friend, you don't own the reality, neither you have right to baselessly accuse anyone of lying. You don't own the truth either. Stop imagining yourself as saviour of humanity, you are nowhere near that. > Yeah, let's dodge into a completely different topic. Don't pretend like you didn't understand the message. > Except the oil lobby is trying to protect their trillion dollar profits, whereas the climate lobby is trying to protect the planet. These are not the same. This got me laughing hard. Nobody gives a shit about the Planet - you may want to look at "climate change" scam preachers - they use private jets that emit a lot of so hated CO2 while preaching everyone needs to drive electric vehicle. Just follow the money - don't follow what they preach. To believe all those Al Gores want to save the planet is either naive or stupid. I'll let you pick the category of your liking. All all those conferences, promos that they do and to which they fly on private jets where flight expenditures cost 50k to anywhere above few thousands - who pays all those expenses you think? I don't expect any coherence from you, but if someone who will read this and still not convinced it's a scam I suggest to have a look what "climate change" preachers were preaching and predicting 10-15-20-30 years ago and how many of those predictions have happened. I'll save you time - it's zero. But don't trust me, do you own research. > We are having an impact on this complex system of Earth's climate, and we are destabilising it You are thinking too much of yourself. Nothing is "destabilising" it, this Planet allegedly existed over 4.6bn years, and likely will exist more. > I have tried to get you to think more critically and more logically about this issue Congratulations - you have "caught" me on mistype. Glad you enjoyed it. One thing - please don't use "critical thinking" without knowing what that means. Labelling "propaganda", "misinformation", "lies" is exactly opposite of that and you know it well. |
But neither do you. Reality exists independently from either of us, but only one of us seems to be paying attention to it.
> neither you have right to baselessly accuse anyone of lying.
I'm not doing it baselessly, though. All of the things you've said that I've called out as lies, are lies, blatant untruths, and/or have been thoroughly debunked.
> Don't pretend like you didn't understand the message.
The message that you're not limiting yourself to just one debunked conspiracy theory? Yeah, I got that.
> Nobody gives a shit about the Planet
Don't project your own cynicism on others.
> you may want to look at "climate change" scam preachers - they use private jets
No, those are the oil executives, as well as hypocrites who love to pretend to be doing good while only being in it for attention. The actual climate activists don't fly by private jets, and many of them rarely or never fly at all. I'm not exactly on the forefront of climate activism, but even I haven't flown in years.
You're only paying attention to the rich and famous, and not to the real people on the ground.
You're only paying attention to the hypocrites and think you're pointing out something new when you say they're hypocrites, but everybody knows that already. But because the hypocrites are talking about the environment, you conclude that everybody who talks about the environment must be a hypocrite, and therefore it must be false, but that's not how logic works. There are hypocrites talking about every topic, including yours, but that doesn't make every person on Earth a hypocrite or every topic false.
You're clutching at your own selection bias to prove your own strawman. But the only one who falls for that backwards logic is you.
> I suggest to have a look what "climate change" preachers were preaching and predicting 10-15-20-30 years ago and how many of those predictions have happened. I'll save you time - it's zero. But don't trust me, do you own research.
I'm sure you've cherry-picked your own selection of outrageous claims to prove your point, but if you actually did your research honestly, you'd see it's not zero. Many predictions have come true.
A small selection:
* Temperatures are rising. This has been quite thoroughly documented. I think the past 8 years are the 8 hottest years on record. Most of the hottest years on record have happened since 1998.
* Glaciers are melting. Lots of glaciers are significantly smaller or have disappeared completely.
* Sea ice is melting. North Pole ice is smaller and smaller every year.
* Weather is getting less stable. Some areas get unprecedented floods, others extreme draughts. Blizzards in Texas, balmy weather on the North Pole.
Of course there have been alarmists who turned the thing into a caricature, but those have always been called out as nonsense.
> Nothing is "destabilising" it, this Planet allegedly existed over 4.6bn years, and likely will exist more.
Read more carefully. The climate is destabilising. Not the planet. Nobody is saying the planet will explode. That's even beyond the more usual nonsense caricatures.