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by wellthisisgreat 1211 days ago
It baffles me that there are no legal repercussions for abuse of DMCA / IP / copyright instruments.

People who do this without grounds should be punished/fines for abusing the system proportionate to what they claim.

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There are but it requires the victim to have the time, energy, and of course, money to pursue it. It also needs to not be some "DMCA Lite" contractual mechanism like Youtube's shitty ContentID system. Only real bad faith DMCA requests need apply.

    Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section—

    (1) that material or activity is infringing, or
    (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification, shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

    17 U.S.C.A. § 512
Yep! It isn't very hard to get someone punished for abusing the system if you have the resources.

YouTube did it a few years ago [1] to a popular creator in the Minecraft community who was threatening creator's with Community Guideline Strikes in order to extort them for money.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/man-agrees-to-pa...

The more I hear about 'popular creators' or 'influencers' the more it seems like a popular career for people with character flaws that can't be easily hidden in face-to-face business environments.
I checked about half a dozen articles about this incident and none of them say the extortionist (Christopher Brady) was any sort of 'creator' or influencer. I can't find any reference to his name anywhere that describes him as any sort of content creator. I believe that claim is mistaken.
Sorry should have added some context! He was a content creator!

Here are some links that reference his YouTube channel name (cbrady350) which match to his real name Chris Brady.

[1] https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/cbrady350-pvp [2] http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqnk16 [3] https://twitter.com/sk1er_/status/1163536914386960384

> It also needs to not be some "DMCA Lite" contractual mechanism like Youtube's shitty ContentID system.

Why not? By my reading of the section you quoted, it stands independently from its parent sections; anyone who makes a legal claim of copyright infringement, or pursues action under the principle that such a claim exists, would seemingly be liable for damages if they're "knowingly materially misrepresenting" the facts of that infringement, whether or not in the context of a DMCA takedown claim.

Which, I mean, obviously; that's already the law, without the DMCA having to say anything additionally about it. If someone threatens legal action against you unless you do X, and you do X, and it costs you money, and then you find out it was a lie and they had no basis for their legal action — then you can totally sue them for damages, and you'll probably win. The DMCA just provides a very explicit basis for evaluating that particular situation without referring to any other bodies of potentially-conflicting case-law, so as to turn that "probably" into a "definitely."

> you can totally sue them for damages, and you'll probably win

Yeah, you can totally sue Disney or Warner Bros if they file a false infringement claim against you. You'll definitely not win unless you have hundreds of thousands of dollars to go up against their phalanxes of corporate lawyers.

The DMCA doesn't take into account unequal parties.

In theory that is a problem; in practice, the companies making knowingly false ContentID claims are 99% of the time small actors. Just like patent trolls are 99% of the time small actors.

Mind you, I say knowingly false. Big companies unknowingly make false claims all the time, because they don't know what-all they actually own — but you can't sue them for that anyway, since there's no mens rea there.

> but you can't sue them for that anyway, since there's no mens rea there.

"I don't know whether or not I own this intellectual property but I'm going to sic the DMCA on you anyway" is blatant negligence, at best. That our legal system doesn't consider that to be mens rea is one of a 3.7-mile-high stack of indictments against said legal system.

> anyone who makes a legal claim of copyright infringement

The answer is right there, my emphasis added. YouTube’s internal mechanisms, a la ContentID, are not processes which are a part of the legal system. They’re corporate policies.

It is worth noting that this distinction is irrelevant to this article, however. As this article says this was a DMCA claim. So any potential false claims in this case do carry this potential penalty.

> The answer is right there, my emphasis added. YouTube’s internal mechanisms, a la ContentID, are not processes which are a part of the legal system. They’re corporate policies.

No, that's not what I meant. I meant, "any claim that can be interpreted in a court of law as being equivalent to saying you intend to sue for copyright infringement and have a legal basis to do so."

In the same sense that a handshake contract is still a binding contract, a regular letter telling someone that you're aware they're violating your copyright — and which doesn't explicitly disclaim any interest in pursuing legal action — can still be interpreted as a threat of legal action; and therefore, if proven to be based on knowingly false claims, as injurious perjury.

To be clear, it's not YouTube making this claim; it's the IP owner making the claim, when they register the IP in the ContentID system. Such a registration is equivalent in the spirit of the law to notoriously claiming 1. you are the IP's true owner, and 2. that you do not license use of your IP for use by others without your prior consent; and that therefore 3. you have an interest in pursuing action against all future unlicensed use of your IP, whether that action is using the DMCA, within the framework of the legal system outside of the DMCA specifically, or through extralegal means.

By analogy, consider what sort of verbal claim of intent to commit a crime (e.g. selling illegal drugs) is necessary in a police sting to trigger an arrest. You don't need to actually have committed the crime (i.e. hand the undercover officer any drugs, or even prove you have any drugs); you merely need to make it clear that you are actively working to set up the conditions necessary to carry out the crime (i.e. to agree/negotiate a price for the drugs you may have.)

In this case, a judge would basically be looking for the point of "stated intent to commit perjury." Which happens as soon as the ContentID for the video is registered!

Yes, generally speaking legal threats which are not made in good faith can cross the line into being illegal, e.g. extortion. But that isn’t because they violate DMCA 512(f). And I think it a a bit of a stretch to say that abusing ContentID is a legal threat. The number of ContentID claims that result in legal action rounds to zero.

Had anyone ever successfully sued in response to a false non-DMCA copyright claim?

You can file for a declaratory judgment and ask for attorney's fees under the fee-shifting provision of the copyright act. Generally, most of the quasi-DMCA programs also observe the counter-notice process, which gives the plaintiff ten business days to file a lawsuit, but then cancels the informal copyright complaint if the time period ends without that lawsuit being filed.

In this case, sending a counter-notice (free), filing for a declaratory judgment and asking for an injunction to prevent additional malicious filings would probably be the most direct pathway to relief.

Filing bar complaints isn't likely to work all that well, because it doesn't really map to the typical things that state bar associations really look to pursue. The vast majority of bar complaints result in nothing, and most of the ones that are deemed valid result in mandatory CLE rather than more substantive penalties.

I mean, there is. It's perjury.

And the target of a false claim can sue the party who made the claim for damages and attorney's fees.

So if you're rich and have the time there may be consequences, but ultimately since anyone can file a false DMCA notice, there's really no assurance that you will ever get your own lawyer's fees back let alone damages (even if they were awarded).

Perjury is a pretty terrible mechanism, frankly. The whole law was and is poorly conceived.

Strictly speaking, I think the only bit that's perjury would be falsely claiming to be the copyright holder (which probably applies in this case, though I suppose the argument could be made that they were just wrong, not lying), which still leaves plenty of room for falsely claiming that something infringes a copyright.
To file a DMCA complaint you must be the copyright holder, or authorized to act on their behalf.
Yes, and it's only that assertion that is made under penalty of perjury, not the assertion that the targeted work actually infringes on that copyright.
So, if they aren't the copyright holder (as in this case) they have committed perjury by asserting they are.
Possibly not if they thought they had a valid claim, but I really don't know how that would work out in practice.
I'm not so sure. It's a fact that he was involved in the development of this new feature, and it's his opinion that he originated the idea. Whether he did or not is for a court to decide, but he's not committing perjury by believing this.

Now if he knows he didn't originate the idea and has brought vexatious proceedings, then sure, this may be perjury, but we are some way off knowing this, and i don't think we'll be in a position to determine this either way.

Ideas aren't copyrightable. If they're not using his code or art or actual copyrightable materials, then there is no copyright infringement.
He wasn't involved, from all accounts.