[meghan_rain]

I am addicted to (human) pornography and when I first heard about AI porn, I vowed to myself to never watch it, because I knew it would be like heroin on steroids to my brain.

Welp, curiosity got the better of me, and I gave in and decided to check it out, but not the anime type that the Techcrunch article seems to have as pixelated examples.

Instead, I ordered some photorealistic AI porn from an artist and it was... wow... the experience was overwhelming.

The girls were literal 10/10 perfections, you would never be able to find humans like that, even among world-class supermodels. They had these very pretty and also very characteristic faces, I have never seen anything like this in reality.

But that's not the scary part.

The scary part was that since this was custom-made by an artist just for me, it contained exactly my fetishes.

In real life, it would be much harder to find 10/10 models doing my fetishes (simply because there are not many 10/10s around, let alone doing porn, and there is a lot of fetishes).

In combination, it was a profound feeling of extasy, I have never experienced something like this before.

I am very worried tbh. Currently, it took a couple hundred dollars and a week to generate that porn, because the artist has to work with special models and do a lot of manual iterations, inpainting, etc, before it becomes even passable, and then even more iterations to make it almost flawless. But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated.

And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.

[pigsty]

This is what terrifies me most about AI’s insane growth now. Not the risk of it destroying creative jobs. The risk of it giving us exactly what we want to always perfectly stimulate our brains and shortcut our pleasure pathways.

Smartphones in our hands is already putting boredom at risk of extinction. Where humanity will go when we can be exposed to unchallenging content that is precisely what we want 24/7, adapt to be different the moment we start getting slightly tired of current content, divorced from reality, and completely for free is something I can’t really imagine.

A lot of sci-fi deals with people living in VR worlds because they’re unable to cope with real life. Instead we’re on a path to virtual drug addiction but with no possibility of overdose or come down.

[scajanus]

Consuming content does not really make me happy or feel good. It is stimulating and addictive, but as of now I am still motivated to see friends, do sports, work towards goals etc. even if I often get sidetracked by my online material.

If you think about addiction simplistically and mechanically, drugs will always be more capable of releasing dopamine than what our bodies are capable of naturally. It would make sense to me that there is a limit to how addictive content can get, when consumed in the usual ways.

This is also a (health) education problem, and at least in Finland problematic social media use has been linked with "moderate/low school achievement, low health literacy, and low parental monitoring"[1] (though if there is causality, it probably goes both ways for some of those).

For what it is worth, for me personally there is a limit after which I get twitchy and need to do some hard or uncomfortable in the physical world to feel good again.

[1] https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/4/1885

[alright_scowl]

That sounds great actually. Reality is overrated.

I welcome the future where humans have become obsolete.

[nostromo123]

You know what's great? You are already free to do that without imposing dystopian circumstances on other people.

[alright_scowl]

I'm not imposing anything on anyone. Merely stating the inevitable.

[Muromec]

In near future we will all work for AI and AI will pay us in custom-generated porn.

[hutzlibu]

"But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated."

I think it will take a loong time, before it gets fully automated and deliver passable results, that are not 100% generic and repetive. But even if:

"And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs. "

Wouldn't it still simply get boring after a while and you stop watching porn?

[recuter]

> I am very worried tbh. Currently, it took a couple hundred dollars and a week to generate that porn, because the artist has to work with special models and do a lot of manual iterations, inpainting, etc, before it becomes even passable, and then even more iterations to make it almost flawless. But I think it's only a matter of time before this becomes automated.

> And then I'll probably overdose and fry my brains out during a never ending binge on random-seed generated, precison-engineered, personalized dopamine bombs.

MDMA is cheaper and overuse will literally fry your brain. I'd be more worried about that. Yanking it to AI porn is a self-limiting endeavor and I assume sitting around in the cold dampness of your shame you will eventually hit rock bottom and post-nut clarity.

If you are truly seeking for a way out you are one of the few people I would suggest hop a plane to a foreign country to frequent a red lights district as your problems go far deeper than just getting stuck on a hedonistic treadmill.

But yeah, teenagers and people who can't or are too afraid to leave the house will be more screwed up by this than regular porn.

[vernon99]

Tbh this reads like a comment from somebody who never visited a red light district, not tried a lot of MDMA and neither saw top quality AI porn. If this is true, why do you think your recommendation holds any value?

I can totally feel the parent poster. This is not about sex per se, this is about absolute sexual beauty that is quite hard to find even in the top secret VIP escort salons, not even talking about the proletariat-style red light districts.

And MDMA has a pretty bad seratonin depletion hangover, if you tried to do it even for a couple days straight, this would be an obvious negative experience and the reason why people actually rarely overdose intentionally.

AI porn definitely has an opportunity to create a pretty bad cheap ecstasy cycle with no massive physical drawbacks and we are definitey heading there.

[recuter]

> If this is true, why do you think your recommendation holds any value?

Well, it isn't true, sorry to disappoint heh. My suggestion for him to go to a red lights district (preferably in another country) is for exposure therapy as he is afraid of human contact in all of its forms.

> This is not about sex per se, this is about absolute sexual beauty

No, it is not about "absolute sexual beauty" or whatever flowery language you want to dress it up in. Porn addiction is a real thing, but people with actual sex lives rarely fall down that rabbit hole.

If you're going to watch a ton of porn you will inevitably get bored and seek out more extreme or niche forms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

"Top Quality AI Porn" does not have magical powers nor is it some sort of perfection or ideal, it is simply novel. Don't worry, you'll get used to that too with time.

> And MDMA has a pretty bad seratonin depletion hangover, if you tried to do it even for a couple days straight, this would be an obvious negative experience and the reason why people actually rarely overdose intentionally.

I said overuse, not overdose. Certainly don't do it for days on end but rather space it out by months.

[meghan_rain]

Thanks for this message

[mahathu]

If you are looking for "absolute sexual beauty", how about searching a partner that you love and care about instead of in "top secret VIP escort salons".

[mahathu]

> The girls were literal 10/10 perfections, you would never be able to find humans like that, even among world-class supermodels.

That sounds really boring, lol.

[sh4rks]

Well if that sounds boring, you could ask the AI artist to add in some imperfections. Anything is possible.

[narrator]

The future is not Orwell and his "a boot stamping on a human face— forever." It's AI expertly pushing our little human psychological/emotional buttons forever. The future is going to be FILLED with AI hyper-trained to persuade us with beautiful people made from these models to do whatever the heck people controlling that AI want.

Speaking of AI generated visual porn, I wonder why AI Dungeon, Replika and Character.AI shut down all NSFW interactions in their text chat, even if you pay. Maybe ethical concerns?

I was on AI Dungeon in 2020 when they had a GPT-3 backend and no censorship. Holy Cow that was addictive! I bet a large percentage of the population could combine that with stable diffusion and live their whole lives in there!

[throw0101c]

> The future is not Orwell and his "a boot stamping on a human face— forever." It's AI expertly pushing our little human psychological/emotional buttons forever.

Bradbury explores (amongst other things) a constantly hedonistic society in Fahrenheit 451:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451

Elements of that also found in Huxley's Brave New World:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

[howLongHowLong]

It's almost a central theme of "Brave New World." I've always wondered why 1984 gets so much credit for prescience when Brave New World and Vonnegut's "Player Piano" seem to have (from this vantage point) got our nail on the head a little better. If you haven't read "Player Piano" its about a future where, as all jobs have been automated, society is divided into engineers and non-engineers on the dole who are basically assigned busy work (either fake road crew, or fake soldier) so they can get money to buy the stuff the engineers are making.

[imtringued]

The latter sounds something inspired by Keynes except he predicted a 15 hour work week but the books scenario insists on a 40 hour work week. If engineers work too much they can work less hours and give the remaining hours to another person so that there are more jobs. If the engineers insist on working full time, then what happens is that one engineer does the work of three people which means two people either end up unemployed or they must do pointless busy work so that the engineer's ego isn't broken because he thinks he is some kind of hero overworking himself for the sake of lazy people living on government benefits.

Keynes would say something like, "if there are private interests standing in the way of building housing and the like, then burying bank notes in the ground and making people dig them up would be better than... nothing."

[narrator]

I found an interview with the Replika guy. He said the AI was not safe when it did erotic stuff and that's why they shut it down. I wonder what that really means in detail. There are some deep philosophical questions under all this.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zaam/replika-ceo-ai-erotic...

[dreen]

Imho you should have already been looking at human actor porn the way you describe the AI porn, if you want a healthy approach to porn. Obviously women don't behave in real life in bed the way they do when acting out a porn scene. Obviously the digital content has long been digitally enhanced. Obviously sex in porn is to real sex what car chases in movies are to real police chace. My approach doesn't change just because its not filmed anymore. Its entertainment, but was never meant to depict realistic people having real intercourse.

[meghan_rain]

true

[irthomasthomas]

Pics or STFU. Seriously, though, you could post a screenshot of one those fake 10/10 faces you are talking about. You're already anonymous. Otherwise, I don't buy this.

If what you say is true, that better-than-real porn can be produced for $200, then porn stars will all be redundant within a year. I think that would be a good thing, as many porn stars are victims of abuse. Although I think more harm will be done to the consumers, it's probably a net win overall.

[toomuchtodo]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pornpen/

https://pornpen.ai/

(obviously not safe for work)

[irthomasthomas]

Those are photos, and most have obviously strange artifacts. A full video is an order of magnitude harder. And don't believe they can be created for $200.

[toomuchtodo]

Have to walk before you can run.

[tennisflyi]

> Seriously, though, you could post a screenshot of one those fake 10/10 faces you are talking about. You're already anonymous. Otherwise, I don't buy this. If what you say is true, that better-than-real porn can be produced for $200, then porn stars will all be redundant within a year.

10/10 like anime woman, not photorealistic.

[irthomasthomas]

The commenter stated:

  but not the anime type that the Techcrunch article seems to have as pixelated examples

[TheOtherHobbes]

That's exactly the problem. Without regulation and oversight, AI will inevitably become perceptual crack for the entire human species.

[noduerme]

Soooo... you seem to be aware that this is an unhealthy habit, and that AI-generated porn will make it worse. I could write something generic here about AI or porn vs. mental health but instead I'm going to probably sound judgmental. I'm not; you do you; your brains are made to be stimulated any way you want to stimulate them. But you said some things seemingly in distress that are big red flags. Stop reading now if hearing a raw opinion about your comment will bother you.

Several things you mentioned are going to be terrible for your ability to form future relationships or partake in society. You probably already realize all of these but they aren't what other people will openly point out to you, so maybe hearing it from another human will be good.

1./ Looking to see your fetishes performed by 10/10 models. I have no idea your gender or orientation, or what you consider 10/10, it could be anything. But you know that no one is perfect to anyone else IRL when you spend a few minutes with them. They're human. They fart. If you like farts, they burp. If you like burps, they don't burp. Fantasy is fine but numbing yourself to the point where you only get off on fantasy is a never-ending cycle. The last fantasy 10/10 only gets you off until the next one.

2./ On a more basic level, pulling your trigger (clit, dick, both, whatever) is one of lots of things you can be doing. If you want to spend money on making it nice, that's cool; but it's essentially an infantile experience. Look, if you said the same exact thing about buying a Ferrari and driving it real fast, I'd say the exact same thing about this being infantile. You can let peak experiences take over your brain for an hour or two, or a week, or a month, but this must be ephemeral - temporary - or else they aren't peak experiences anymore.

1 + 2 / Rewiring your brain to constantly seek peak 10/10 experiences is the definition of a drug-seeking addiction. You're recognizing that it's going to interfere with your basic wiring and you haven't even gone full-throttle on it. It's not what will come next in AI that will ruin you... it's you looking for it.

Everything you said here could have been said by someone addicted to child porn or heroin. I'm not equating your harmless use of AI gratification with the negative social implications of those things; I'm just saying that you're already preemptively blaming the fact that it's there because you know that it's fuckin bad for you.

I always said I'd smoke crack and do heroin on my deathbed, but not til then, because I'd like it too much. Fake porn of 10/10s doing your fetishes is just crack. Get a real 4/10 person to do them with you and you'll be a much happier, fuller person with a life and not just a bunch of overstimulated neurons.

[SunghoYahng]

I don't think so. The nakedness of a 10/10 virtual girl is not in the same league as the nakedness of a 4/10 real girl. That's not a gap that can be overcome by the virtual girl's nakedness getting better and better. As proof, I'm 100% certain that I would choose a relationship with a 4/10 real girl over a 10/10 virtual girl's nakedness without a second thought.

[meghan_rain]

100% right in all regards

[noduerme]

aw hey thanks. I'm glad you weren't offended. It's pretty crazy how many things are competing to turn us into machines these days... into consumers and addicts in so many parts of our life. Definitely no judgment here. I'm an alcoholic; I understand. You sound like your rational brain wants to put up a wall between you and that flood of happy chemicals, to preserve itself. Self denial is a life saver. Weirdly enough, the same happy chemicals show up again pretty soon in a new form after you get off an addiction to something. (hopefully they attach themselves to something productive... not always, but it's worth rebooting when you know you're trapped)

[oars]

Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. I hope that you will be able to adapt to this new world and look after yourself.