[auctoritas]

Vaccination may trigger some cascade that has effects beyond the intended immune response... activating processes which in some way clean the brain or filter blood more thoroughly before it passes through the BBB.

The integrated nature of the immune system whatever immediate response vaccination triggers probably

[Enginerrrd]

I once had a shoulder / joint problem that had lingered for a couple of weeks. Normal sort of thing that comes up from time to time in training. But I was going out of country and had to get a bunch of vaccines. They loaded me up with like 5 or 6 shots at the visit. Weirdly, after getting a couple of shots in the arm, I noticed that the next day my shoulder issue was totally gone. Could be coincidence, but at the time I got the impression that the extra temporary inflammation gave my body enough of a push to just go in there and fix it.

[polishdude20]

Makes me wonder if the pain signal was there because the previous repair process failed to fix it and then a new repair stimulant (inflammation) was needed to trigger that fix.

[Enginerrrd]

That's what I was thinking. While not recommended, I've heard of people fixing their months-long tendonitis by first acutely pissing it off enough to be unbearable and then all of a sudden it heals.

[ShredKazoo]

Could also been the effect of sticking a needle in the area. Acupuncture is a popular treatment for chronic pain.

[jspash]

Sounds a bit like acupuncture? I mean, if you ignore the whole "chi energy" angle. Or whatever woo is meant to be awoken by the needles.

I also had a shoulder problem for well over a year. I think it was a pinched nerve. Went to countless physios, tried pills, stretching, weight training and even acupuncture. Nothing. Not a bit of relief, and some times even more pain.

Then I went on a two week holiday to Sri Lanka. Swam in 30C degree water. Laid on the hot sand. And basically did nothing for the entire two weeks. It wasn't until the plain ride home that I realised I was no longer in pain! I've been pain free ever since.

Sorry.. just realised my little story had nothing to do with vaccines or inflammation.

[phyphy]

Acupuncture is pseudoscience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_a...

[spacephysics]

I think a better contribution to the discussion would be more details or a better source.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/exploring-science-acupuncture

They found a mapping of neurons that match with how acupuncture determines location, intensity, depth of the needle. Leading to specific neurological firing enabling reduction in inflammation.

Many in our society look at the ancients as stupid because they worshipped gods or spirits. Constantly we’re finding what they discovered and said has evidence according to our “god” of science.

I think throwing away their wisdom is a mistake, we should look at many of their practices like the pyramids, trying to find what they may have seen that we do not. Not throwing it to the wayside because it’s “woo-woo”

[Retric]

Yet, acupuncture claims to fix a wide range of things it doesn’t.

It’s common for old ideas to be associated with accurate information without actually being true. The classical elements Earth, Air, Fire, and Water might map to ice, water, steam, and plasma but they don’t explain the fundamental nature and complexity of all mater.

So no it’s not that the wisdom of the ancients it’s simply an observation by people like us that didn’t actually understand much about how things actually worked. The pyramids are shaped that way because it’s a straightforward way to build something very tall from stones. The complicated bits are all inside, and not that interesting.

[spacephysics]

The pyramids don’t seem to have been built that shape “just cause”. It appears there’s a huge amount of electromagnetic energy being focused underneath due to its shape[0]

Attributing motive is a careful game, but so is dismissing this as “happenstance”.

I concede though that there surely are parts that seem to just not hold water in our framework of thinking. But perspective, reality, and such are not straightforward. Hence why we need a vast amount of statistics just to say something was caused by a separate action.

I just don’t buy into the idea that we as a civilization have the furthest progress of human knowledge. Many fields we do, but there have been many periods in history where books, scrolls, etc were lost or destroyed. Library of Alexandria for one.

[0] https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-great-pyramid-giza-foc...

[scns]

Then physicians/scientists should do what Bruce Lee did with the fighting styles he studied: Keep what works, discard the rest.

[agentgumshoe]

I guess the 'data' here is that someone having vaccines just before the same holiday might then attribute the same relief to the injection immune response rather than hot treatment and relaxation.

Hence causation never necessarily equalling causation...

[headsoup]

*correlation

[viraptor]

There's enough unfounded scares around vaccination as it is. Please do better than write about "activating processes which in some way clean the brain". This is medical version of technobabble.

[mxkopy]

It sounds like babbling to say 'we teach our immune system to fight diseases by showing them weaker versions'. The immune system is complicated and unless you're talking about things directly in terms of chemistry and protein binding or whatever, you're not talking about it accurately.

Personally, it makes a lot of sense to me that the immune system is responsible for much more than viruses or bacteria. The need for a class of diseases related to an unhealthy one (autoimmune diseases) is proof IMO

[viraptor]

> 'we teach our immune system to fight diseases by showing them weaker versions'

This is a simplification of a well researched process which we understand and can read about. What the previous poster wrote was just speculation as far as I can tell, unless someone wants to post some reference about cleaning the brain and blood?

[mxkopy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spleen

"The spleen plays very important roles in regard to red blood cells (erythrocytes) and the immune system. It removes old red blood cells and holds a reserve of blood, which can be valuable in case of hemorrhagic shock, and also recycles iron."

[viraptor]

Yes, but what does that have to do with the context here? (I.e. changes triggered by vaccination)

[heavyset_go]

They're speculating, but neither you nor I know if that hypothesis is correct.

Side effects and downstream effects are common across almost all drugs.

It's not absurd or unfounded to hypothesize an explanation for the correlation researchers observed. It could be the case, it could be something else or it could be the case that the correlation means nothing.