[ashwagary]

>I've heard people say that the solution is to eat (healthy food) when you're hungry, and stop when you're full. The thing is, I'm never full. I can eat until I physically can't eat anymore (not something I do regularly, of course), and as soon as my stomach has emptied a bit, I feel fairly hungry again. "Eat until you feel full" is literally a human experience I had never really had.

I hear people following a carnivore diet have had success in dealing with this satiety issue. The only things you can eat with this diet are butter (or ghee), beef, and salt.

There is a claim that nutrient difficiency causes the scenario you are describing. Your body is being deprived of what it really needs with your current diet and requires more consumption to continue its search for a particular set of nutrients.

The carnivore diet is not a silver bullet but worth a try. I will also mention it is high protien, high fat, and zero carb which has been shown to result in massive weight loss in relatively short periods of time (counterintuitive, I know).

[wink]

I've heard people say "I'm only being sated by the extras/side dishes, give me 1kg of meat and I will eat 1kg of meat as the main course" and to a degree I understand, at least for "normal" dishes with meat and carbs. Maybe it actually works if you crank the fat contents up.

[ashwagary]

You are right.

The high fat requirement is neglected when most first start this diet. People have been trained to fear excess fat so it does take extra directed effort to break out of the mindset.

Many manufacturers also remove fat so nutrition labels are more attractive to misdirected consumers ...this will generally lead followers of this diet away from overly processed foods (added benefit).

[abecedarius]

A carnivore diet can include many other foods than beef and butter. Being high in protein is also a choice, and not a necessarily a great idea. (I'm getting moderate protein and high fat.)

[ashwagary]

>Being high in protein is also a choice, and not a necessarily a great idea.

Why is it not a great idea?

[xvilka]

> high protien, high fat, and zero carb

Basically a keto diet, of course it works due to ketosis.

[Sparkyte]

I think the problem with Ketosis is that people are too busy trying to eat a lot of fats. You just need healthy fats, protein and vegetables.

[jononomo]

You don't need vegetables.

[jononomo]

A carnivore diet is not necessarily a ketogenic diet, although it is a zero-carb diet. If you eat enough protein then your body will make glucose from it and keep you out of ketosis. But I agree that a diet of only red meat is absolutely ideal no matter which angle you look at it from.

[tptacek]

If you eat enough protein then your body will make glucose from it and keep you out of ketosis

Cite for this, please?

[aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA]

They’re probably talking about gluconeogenesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

[tptacek]

Yes, but that's not a cite that says eating lots of protein can take you out of ketosis; it's just a Wikipedia article on gluconeogenesis.

[arcticbull]

I didn't believe it either... it seems to be mentioned in a bunch of keto literature online, like this one [1]. Some folks say it stimulates insulin, and some say it upregulates gluconeogenesis. I haven't found anything authoritative, so I remain skeptical.

[1] https://www.verywellfit.com/gluconeogenesis-2242007

[jononomo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

[tptacek]

So, it's just a thing you think might happen, because there is such a thing as gluconeogenesis? I went looking, and the only cite I found was a study suggesting this does not in fact happen.