[jononomo]

A carnivore diet is not necessarily a ketogenic diet, although it is a zero-carb diet. If you eat enough protein then your body will make glucose from it and keep you out of ketosis. But I agree that a diet of only red meat is absolutely ideal no matter which angle you look at it from.

[tptacek]

If you eat enough protein then your body will make glucose from it and keep you out of ketosis

Cite for this, please?

[aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA]

They’re probably talking about gluconeogenesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

[tptacek]

Yes, but that's not a cite that says eating lots of protein can take you out of ketosis; it's just a Wikipedia article on gluconeogenesis.

[arcticbull]

I didn't believe it either... it seems to be mentioned in a bunch of keto literature online, like this one [1]. Some folks say it stimulates insulin, and some say it upregulates gluconeogenesis. I haven't found anything authoritative, so I remain skeptical.

[1] https://www.verywellfit.com/gluconeogenesis-2242007

[jononomo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

[tptacek]

So, it's just a thing you think might happen, because there is such a thing as gluconeogenesis? I went looking, and the only cite I found was a study suggesting this does not in fact happen.