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by rhaksw 1290 days ago
Transparently removing content is the normal way to moderate a forum. This research [1] suggests it reduces mod workload because users learn the rules. Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular.

It isn't accurate to say secrecy increases site quality. No such qualitative study has been done.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/duwdco/should_mode...
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belltaco 1290 days ago
That's talking about article submissions, not comments. Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken.

More than 95% of the time I see a flagged account on HN, they post complete garbage that leads to more flaming replies if not removed promptly. HN has a very limited set of moderators, like one or two, who cannot police every comment 24/7.

>Discourse doesn't secretly remove content and is popular.

Popular where? In corporate and niche business use cases? What are some public Discourses that allow everyone to post?

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rhaksw 1290 days ago
> That's talking about article submissions, not comments

Shadow moderation was implemented without doing any research. I agree it's about time more studies are done on all types of content and all platforms in order to assess whether or not this functionality furthers the platforms' goals.

> Couldn't read the PDF because the link is broken

Good call. Blog post summarizing [1] and pdf [2]

> Popular where? In corporate and niche business use cases? What are some public Discourses that allow everyone to post?

All of them that don't use the ShadowBan add-on, I guess.

Indeed shadow moderation appears to have made platforms more popular. I won't disagree there. But I also think it's clear it has contributed to echo chambers and increased isolation and tribality.

I think we're reaching a point where the public wants to know what's going on in social media. Its harmful nature is not just driven by preference-driven news feeds, which we already know can be toxic, it's also driven by shadow moderation. That's the other shoe that may be dropping here.

[1] https://medium.com/acm-cscw/does-transparency-in-moderation-...

[2] https://shagunjhaver.com/research/articles/jhaver-2019-trans...

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anigbrowl 1290 days ago
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3359252

You could have just use the menu to find it, it only took a few seconds. There's a preprint available there if you need it. https://shagunjhaver.com/research/

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