[SkyPuncher]

I don't have a Cronus. Frankly, I don't really need one or care to have one.

Even with a Cronus, you still need to be able to aim and place your shots. It certainly helps you land more shots, but basic tactics easily overcome a Cronus.

[philistine]

Said like someone who uses a Cronus. If cheating at a tournament is defined as using a Cronus, then it's cheating.

[SkyPuncher]

I'm really surprised to see these repeated baseless accusations on HN. I can assure you that I've never used or own a Cronus. I have a 0.89 KD in WZ. I'd be much better with a Cronus.

I don't disagree that a Cronus is cheating. I'm simply stating there are different levels of cheating. Since Cronus is hardware it's both hard to detect and limited on its impact. Cronus also don't let you magically wall people or auto-headshot.

Software based cheats are significantly more impactful to the game play. Software cheaters can see you through walls, auto-aim, auto-shoot, auto-move. There's simply no way to counter someone who knows exactly where you are and can hit a perfect shot every time.

Activision should address both, but software cheating is a far larger problem.

[themacguffinman]

In this scenario it sounds like Activision is addressing both by treating them both as a group. Not sure why you're trying to draw a distinction for actual Cronus use. If Cronus is cheating, it doesn't matter which cheat is a larger problem or whether there are different levels of cheating, the treatment for cheaters is the same: ban them.

[SkyPuncher]

I think it's reasonable for Activision to treat them as a group. I know I'm arm-chairing, but I think it's worth treating them as distinct.

Hardware based cheats, like recoil control, can be countered with in-game mechanics. For example, enforcing a minimum amount of recoil and using an RNG recoil pattern. My understanding is Cronus rely on grossly predictable recoil patterns.

Software cheating extends well beyond recoil control and requires active detection mechanisms.

[themacguffinman]

Random recoil is less fun, it stops being a skill that rewards mastery and becomes another fudging factor in a skill-based game.

And for what? Because you think Cronus is too hard to detect?

No cheat should be tolerated, let alone compromised with to the point of fudging the game. Should racing games counter Cronus by removing difficult corners that rely on predictable turns? Should games avoid entire categories of mechanics just to work around Cronus? Fuck that, Activision should continue investing in protecting the creative integrity of their product, not conceding. Anti-cheat systems have gotten incredibly sophisticated with incredible gains in cheat detection, and it didn't get there by giving up.

[smaudet]

"Should racing games counter Cronus by removing difficult corners that rely on predictable turns?"

Your argument is that games are bad so they should have serious restrictions on them to make them stay bad....

This is nonsense. Games should be, first and foremost, fun. You will build and play better, more interesting games where there are fewer predictable turns (literal or figurative), when there isn't such an unhealthy obsession with protecting terrible mechanics.

For a very few cases where there is e-sport(s) like activity, fine, create your TiVO like experience (in multiplayer, e.g. combat simulators, racing).

"Anti-cheat systems have gotten incredibly sophisticated with incredible gains in cheat detection".

Anti-cheat systems are a large part of why I rarely play any AAA titles - they are slow as all 'F, buggy, and honestly completely trashy games. And if I bought one of these games and was randomly locked out of it, you can bet I would be demanding the blood of the developers be spilled.

[RulerOf]

The instant I found out that a device like the Cronus existed, it brought me great joy to know someone created it and turned it into a business.

That thing exists to solve a very real problem: the game mechanics the Cronus mediates or exploits are being used by game devs to cover up otherwise-boring gameplay.

[AmericanChopper]

> I'm really surprised to see these repeated baseless accusations on HN.

I just made the hackusation because it seemed funny to me. Your insistence on further explaining the difference in severity between the different types of cheating just makes it seem even funnier.

[Firmwarrior]

This is the sort of pointless salty flame war that would seem better suited to Reddit or Twitter