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by onceiwasthere 1304 days ago
Is there any regulated/"official" definition to the word "processed" in this context? I see the word so much in the context of food in general and I've never known exactly what it means.
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Buy foods in bulk, not boxed or in plastic. Make food from scratch from whole grains, veggies, peppers, spices. Avoid all of the seed oils.

My Dad is 101 and doing OK, and he has always preferred large salads, small amounts of lean meat. I feel better whenever I hit the Fuhrman Diet for six months.

What non-seed oils do people use for moderate/high temp cooking? I

use olive for almost everything, but it’s not the best choice for high(er) temp so I go for the sunflower oil.

For moderate to high temperature cooking I use either ghee or beef tallow. For deep frying, beef tallow is the best.

Both of them are easy to make at home and last for months in the fridge or at room temperature.

Thanks! Looks like ghee has a smoke point of 250 °C (485 °F) degrees which is quite good.
For frying, I usually use a mixture of olive oil and butter. The oil slows down the process of the butter burning. It's certainly not as good as ghee, but ghee tends to make stuff greasy.
If you put butter into a pan that is too hot and it starts burning, it can be useful to cool things down by adding some oil. But the milk solids will always burn at a given temperature. A mixture of olive oil and butter won't let you cook at a higher temperature than just butter.
Avocado Oil is supposed to be a good option too with high smoke point. Costco has a reasonably priced option.

I’ve read though that the whole fear of over-heated olive oil is overblown, so who knows. Like everything in nutritional science it is unclear.

I usually change stir fry recipes to instead simmer the food in vegetable broth. The I add olive oil after cooking.

My wife likes occasional fried food and coconut oil works fine for that.

I don’t know if peanut oil is considered a seed oil or not, but it has one of the highest smoke points. (I’m aware peanuts aren’t seeds, but not everyone is.)
Peanuts are not seeds. I don't know whether it counts (and I don't know why GP thinks seeds are to be avoided).
Maybe coconut oil?
Coconut oil varies a lot in its smoke point; unrefined its similar to butter but refined can get up past 400 F / 204 C(similar to canola oil).

I do like cooking with it despite the low heat limitation because it's good for things you can cook at lower temps like eggs and if you get good high quality oil then it will be near tasteless. Which means you can actually taste the egg instead of whatever oil / lard you fried them with.

> Avoid all of the seed oils

Could someone elaborate as to what the issue is with seed oils?

https://youtu.be/Cfk2IXlZdbI

“How Its Made - Canola Oil”

This was all I needed to see to know I don’t want to consume it ever again.

I would suggest taking a look at this video.

https://youtu.be/9Qk2LEN6opQ?t=1826

tldr, yes seed oils go through a lot of processing but human outcome data dosent seem to indicate that they cause any negative health effects

So the stock photo for "processed food" in MSM reports seems to be a picture of a hamburger. As far as I'm aware, the only processed things in a hamburger are the bun and the cheese. Oh - maybe the secret sauce; but I tell them to hold the cheese and sauce.

For me, processed meat means rubbery hotdog sausages; reconstituted chicken meat; doner kebab; TV dinners; fishcakes, and so on. [Edit: ham and bacon, of course, but only a crazy person eats a quarter-pound of bacon.] I imagine some of those are fine, but if you can't see the unprocessed ingredient, then the 'Lemon Market' rule says it's probably not what it's supposed to be.

> Processed meat refers to meat that has been preserved by smoking, curing, salting or adding preservatives. This includes sausages, bacon, ham, salami and pâtés.

> If you currently eat more than 90g (cooked weight) of red or processed meat a day, the Department of Health and Social Care advises that you cut down to 70g.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/meat-nutrit...

does pork count as red meat? because, man, i would grill up some good pork chops every single day if my family would let me.
Yes, it does. There's a comprehensive list here:

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-guidelines-and-fo...

Pork, veal, venison etc. = red meat.

For a precise definition of "processed", check out the NOVA system. The biggest villains are the "ultra processed" foods.

https://www.fao.org/3/ca5644en/ca5644en.pdf

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/public-health-nutrit...

Scanning the article, I do not see any definition, except that at one place "fresh" is also mentioned.

I assume that "unprocessed" meat refers to meat that is cooked at home, as opposed to buying sausages, ham or any other industrial meat products, which may contain various additives or impurities from techniques like smoking.

This new study still shows an increased probability of cancer when consuming more than 200 g of unprocessed red meat per day, which is indeed more than should normally be eaten.

I have always been skeptical about these claims about the effects of eating meat, because they do not differentiate between the different methods of cooking the meat. I doubt that eating meat that was fried in oil has the same health effects as eating meat that was baked in an oven.

I always assumed it meant, cured, chemically preserved or fermented.
Other than the pedantic both cured and fermented count as chemically preserved in a broad sense, I think the general modern understanding of "processed foods" means that "ultra-processed foods" per the webmd definition https://www.webmd.com/diet/what-are-processed-foods#:~:text=....

e.g. foods that are doped with additives that don't necessarily occur in the food's base state, including dyes, preservatives, added flavors generated in lab environments, etc.

To be fair I'm not advocating either way, since I'm sure I ate some form of ultra-processed food this morning just by having grocery store brand jelly on my toast, but I think the argument is that by mixing these into the diet frequently there are unknown long-term side effects on the human body by eating these in excess.