[KapKap55]

How often do you really need to access the header and navigation "instantly"? In comparison, how often do you need to reread or verify information from a previous paragraph, or review a chart or graph you viewed earlier?

It's fairly obvious which one is actually more important in the majority of cases and it's going to be the actual information you're currently reading through. Obscuring the actual content in any form is a direct reduction to page usability.

[sethherr]

I want to access the menu 100% of the time that I'm using the site I've added the header to, after some scrolling. I re-scroll 50% of the pages that I visit.

Seems like a definite win to me? Maybe your usability desires are different than other users desires? In the case of an autohiding header - it doesn't seem like a big reduction in page visibility?

[DangitBobby]

It's invasive and takes up valuable screen real estate. On top of that, it's very distracting to keep having an element bounce into view. I have a very hide time dealing with even minor distractions on my screen, personally.

I straight up permanently remove most sticky headers with Ublock Origin. 90% of the sites I read content on, I didnt get there by internal site navigation, I got there from a kagi search or HN link. The rare exception are documentation sites; I use their internal navigation often. Thankfully, though, very few of these sites use sticky headers. I just quickly scroll to the top or use the pagination buttons at the bottom.

[sethherr]

I mostly spend time on sites that I use multiple times a day. I prefer that those sites are designed for people who use them multiple times a day, not for people who visit once, from HN.

This might be targeting a minority of users - it’s design for power users. I’d expect HN to be supportive of this sort of design.

[2malaq]

> This might be targeting a minority of users - it’s design for power users. I’d expect HN to be supportive of this sort of design.

You'd expect.. But please listen.

[unionpivo]

If I am on my pc with a mouse getting to top is either a click or button combo away, so this popping up stuff is a net loss.

Its even worse on the phones where you sometimes get header plus some commercial and maybe a cookie banner, interacting with each other trying to figure out how to close them in order is a puzzle.

There have been maybe 1 or 2 sites out of all that i have visited, that I didn't immediately hate the banner.

To me it become a "site smell". So if I have an option I'll go elsewhere for my needs.

[birksherty]

Nobody likes it except developers of these annoyances themselves. It's not power, it's toxic annoying dickbar.

[omgmajk]

Why would HN be supportive of this toxic attitude towards users?

[klibertp]

What's wrong with a small ▾ icon you could tap to bring up the menu? Then tap again to hide it? Crucially, without changing what content's scrollTop with either action? I'd expect (haha) power-users to be capable of tapping on an indicator to bring up (or down) the menu...

[vehementi]

I don't think I have ever clicked anything on one of those headers on a website in my life. In fact the anti pattern is so obnoxious I literally couldn't tell you what's even on them.

[omgmajk]

I don't get who clicks those at all, this design choice is mostly on like blog and news pages and it makes me mad every damn time I have to scroll weird to get it to disappear again.

[blueblob]

Honestly, if they have those elements on a page, usually the content is not worthwhile enough for me to suffer through their design. I usually just leave the page.