[sethherr]

I want to access the menu 100% of the time that I'm using the site I've added the header to, after some scrolling. I re-scroll 50% of the pages that I visit.

Seems like a definite win to me? Maybe your usability desires are different than other users desires? In the case of an autohiding header - it doesn't seem like a big reduction in page visibility?

[DangitBobby]

It's invasive and takes up valuable screen real estate. On top of that, it's very distracting to keep having an element bounce into view. I have a very hide time dealing with even minor distractions on my screen, personally.

I straight up permanently remove most sticky headers with Ublock Origin. 90% of the sites I read content on, I didnt get there by internal site navigation, I got there from a kagi search or HN link. The rare exception are documentation sites; I use their internal navigation often. Thankfully, though, very few of these sites use sticky headers. I just quickly scroll to the top or use the pagination buttons at the bottom.

[sethherr]

I mostly spend time on sites that I use multiple times a day. I prefer that those sites are designed for people who use them multiple times a day, not for people who visit once, from HN.

This might be targeting a minority of users - it’s design for power users. I’d expect HN to be supportive of this sort of design.

[2malaq]

> This might be targeting a minority of users - it’s design for power users. I’d expect HN to be supportive of this sort of design.

You'd expect.. But please listen.

[unionpivo]

If I am on my pc with a mouse getting to top is either a click or button combo away, so this popping up stuff is a net loss.

Its even worse on the phones where you sometimes get header plus some commercial and maybe a cookie banner, interacting with each other trying to figure out how to close them in order is a puzzle.

There have been maybe 1 or 2 sites out of all that i have visited, that I didn't immediately hate the banner.

To me it become a "site smell". So if I have an option I'll go elsewhere for my needs.

[birksherty]

Nobody likes it except developers of these annoyances themselves. It's not power, it's toxic annoying dickbar.

[omgmajk]

Why would HN be supportive of this toxic attitude towards users?

[klibertp]

What's wrong with a small ▾ icon you could tap to bring up the menu? Then tap again to hide it? Crucially, without changing what content's scrollTop with either action? I'd expect (haha) power-users to be capable of tapping on an indicator to bring up (or down) the menu...

[vehementi]

I don't think I have ever clicked anything on one of those headers on a website in my life. In fact the anti pattern is so obnoxious I literally couldn't tell you what's even on them.

[omgmajk]

I don't get who clicks those at all, this design choice is mostly on like blog and news pages and it makes me mad every damn time I have to scroll weird to get it to disappear again.

[blueblob]

Honestly, if they have those elements on a page, usually the content is not worthwhile enough for me to suffer through their design. I usually just leave the page.