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by taeric 1493 days ago
Amusingly, I am probably harsher on meditation than you seem to be. My stance is more that if you are otherwise healthy and making good choices, go for it. If you are wanting to use it as a treatment for problems/discontents in your life, expect that it won't help, and focusing on your problems is likely to lead to other problems.

Comparing it to ibuprofen strikes me as begging the question that it has a mechanism. Something I am not quite ready to cede.
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bowsamic 1493 days ago
I’m confused. Are you claiming that meditation might literally have no effect?
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taeric 1493 days ago
Not literally zero effect. But I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the effect is the same as how propaganda works.

I take it as similar to inversion tables. Could it help some folks with their back pain? Absolutely. Does it do so for the reasons they put forward? Highly unlikely. (Acupuncture is similar. Homeopathy? Maybe...)

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bowsamic 1493 days ago
So you're claiming that it's mostly placebo? That is absurd to me. Why wouldn't sitting down and doing a specific mental activity for 30 minutes a day (e.g. paying attention to breath) change something? It seems very obvious to me that it would train the mind in some way. This is a genuinely bizarre take
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taeric 1493 days ago
No. Placebo is a different thing. Persuasion would be closer. And I welcome being wrong. But spirituality of all types rings very hollow to me.
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bowsamic 1493 days ago
Meditation isn't really a spiritual act though, it's simply a form of mental training. It is like learning, or doing puzzles, etc. Do you doubt those things?

The spiritual part is how to frame the results and shifts that come from long-term meditation in a helpful worldview.

Have you tried it by the way? It sounds like you aren't quite aware what it even is

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taeric 1493 days ago
For those that are neither spiritual nor meditative, they are both far away in thought.

I have tried meditation before. Never did a weekend retreat, but used to do guided classes. They left me a bit high and dry. And they felt exactly the same as old religious acquaintances on how that helps guide and inform. I /do not/ doubt that it works for the folks it works for. I clearly have doubts that it is a general thing that even can work for everyone.

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