[chad_oliver]

I disagree. I'm not trying to be inflammatory but it seems like your statement is similar to saying "rape is so harmful specifically because of our society's attitudes to sex". Yeah, social stigma can make the consequences of rape a lot worse, but that's not at all the only reason why rape is bad. I think the same logic applies to involuntary porn.

Among other things, involuntary porn is a massive violation of privacy. Maybe some individuals don't feel that this area needs to be private, but what matters is whether the _victim_ wants it to be private. If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution.

[rosndo]

> If your solution is "the victims shouldn't make such a big deal of this", that's wishful thinking not a solution.

That’s a really twisted interpretation of what I wrote.

Rather, I believe that we should strongly condemn those who further victimize these people by voicing their puritanical views in any form.

[dymk]

Having revenge porn of yourself on the internet is extremely traumatizing regardless of what other people think of it.

[rosndo]

It’s precisely the opinions of other people which makes it extremely traumatizing.

Lets not pretend that this is some inherent part of human nature.

[dymk]

No, it’s not, and victims of revenge porn will tell you as such.

Everybody thinks muggings are wrong, and yet people are traumatized by muggings. People thing school shootings are wrong, yet they’re traumatic.

I suggest you go ask one for yourself if you don’t believe me, because frankly you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[rosndo]

What you’re spewing out is utterly nonsensical.

This is cultural, not something we’re inherently born with.

Muggings are inherently worse, someone taking your freedom and possessions under the threat of violence.

[dymk]

> someone taking your freedom

God, you're so, so close. I seriously urge you to go talk to somebody who's had revenge porn distributed of them, or go read an account of the personal violation they felt.

I cannot help you any more than that, it's your own journey to discover empathy and theory of mind.

[mensetmanusman]

How people behave regardless of culture is human nature.

[rosndo]

So what evidence do you have that humans behave in this way regardless of culture?

[wvh]

I don't disagree, but a problem can be solved – or at least improved upon, because I'm not sure this can be solved – on multiple fronts. Leaving the question of whether containment is possible on the internet aside for a minute, we could also work on improving society where the stigma connected to nudity and pornography – voluntary, non-voluntary and anything in between – is not such a burden it destroys people's lives.

To throw back your own example, topics such as rape, drug abuse and depression can be made discussable openly in society instead of keeping them hidden, shameful and isolating. It might also be good for young people to understand that what they do in private in the heat of the moment, might later on come back to haunt them, exactly by keeping the conversation going.

It seems to me people make a big deal out of it exactly because of society's overwhelmingly negative response, which is also something we could work on. In the case of rape, there is something going wrong between two people, but in the case of sexual imagery leaking, there's the added element of a voyeuristic society imposing moral judgement, the negative impact of public opinion, which is a problem beyond whatever happens between two people in their private lives.