[TrispusAttucks]

Your argument is that a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection can not give another vaccinated person a breakthrough infection?

Obviously your anecdotal story is tragic. No denying. But the ends don't justify the means.

Most of these health workers have been on the frontlines since the beginning before the vaccine. Many already aquired COVID and have some natural immunity.

I leave you with this:

How about the story of the girl who died because there weren't enough healthcare workers to treat her in time because they were all fired?

[virtuabhi]

More health workers are fed up with constant stream of unvaccinated patients in hospitals (also a big overlap between assholes and unvaccinated in USA where vaccines are available), so they would rather want everyone to be vaccinated. Ask your doctor friends and relatives.

What would your imaginary girl do when all ICU beds are occupied by the unvaccinated?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/never-ending-nigh...

[TrispusAttucks]

This is a different argument.

You're talking about the unvaccinated masses of patients.

The NY mandate was for nurses who worked throughout the pandemic.

We could debate the merits of mandated vaccination for the general public but this mandate is putting a squeeze on healthcare workers which will likely contribute to a worker shortage that will not be without it's own collateral damage.

[virtuabhi]

At Houston Methodist, where 150 employees left from a work force of about 26,000 people, the hospital said that there had been little lasting effect on its ability to hire people. And when Texas was hit with rising numbers of Covid cases over the summer, the hospital found that fewer of its workers were out sick.

“The mandate has not only protected our employees, but kept more of them at work during the pandemic,” a hospital spokeswoman said in an email.

ChristianaCare, a hospital group based in Wilmington, Del., said on Monday that it had fired 150 employees for not complying with its vaccine mandate. But the group emphasized that over the last month it had hired more than 200 employees, many of whom are more comfortable working where they knew their colleagues were vaccinated.

From https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/health/us-hospital-worker...

[TrispusAttucks]

Thanks for your detailed response.

This is great news for the hospitals bottom line!

Not such great news for the hopeful mothers planning or already carrying a child who wouldn't wish their unborn offspring as a medical experiment. These are real people with real concerns. Not crazies who think there is a microchip in the shot. Studies on long term fetal impact are impossible with the mandated timeline.

If a woman has a pro-choice right to abortion, then it seems a pro-choice right to a medical injection is in order. The two points are logically inconsistent with each other.

Sincerly,

~ A Covid Vaccinated Citizen

PS. See below [1] for reasons why someone might question a fast developed medication.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fQ6JklHjBc

[lovich]

You have a pro choice right to not get injected. You don’t have a pro choice right to not get the vaccine, not get tested, and move about freely amongst others because you are now violating others bodily autonomy en masse by spreading disease.

If you aren’t fine with someone walking around firing a gun randomly in the air because the bullets “might” land on someone then I don’t see how you can be fine with someone walking around during a pandemic with no sorts of proof that they aren’t spreading the disease at a high rate.

Both behaviors are a not guaranteed to cause harm, but the likelyhood has risen high enough to warrant preventative measures

[TrispusAttucks]

I was under the mistaken belief that vaccinated people could still spread the virus. Thanks for the correction. Which begs the question. Who are we protecting? That group has chose to not be protected. The argument is circular.

Disclaimer: I support vaccination. I do not support authoritarian mandates in this case.

[Tarsul]

People die needlessly because they aren't treated in hospitals because the hospitals are too full with people with covid. The ends justify the means. Vaccination mandates are nothing new and covid justifies it so that life can go on again. We are not only throwing people under the bus who are horribly misinformed (imo misinformation is a euphemism) but also those who are immunocompromised and those I talked about earlier who can't get treatment for anything else.