[Retric]

It’s a reciprocal relationship with rights and obligations on both sides not ownership. For example the FBI doesn’t invoice victims or their families when it gets involved in kidnapping cases.

Capital gains are deferred without interest until an asset it sold, that doesn’t mean there wasn’t an obligation for those years.

[danuker]

> rights and obligations on both sides not ownership

I would say consequences of infringement are much worse for individual citizens than for the government.

If the government confiscates some of your money through "civil forfeiture", you then have to sue the government and prove the money was gained legally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United...

On the other hand, try not filing your taxes. What happened to John McAfee might happen to you.

[Retric]

It’s not an equal relationship, but governments failing their side on wide enough scale end up failing.

[trasz]

> FBI doesn’t invoice victims

what

[Retric]

They don’t charge money to investigate crimes.

[trasz]

Just like every other civilized country. The fact that it was even mentioned suggests that for Americans it might not always be the case in some situations, which is quite frightening.

[Retric]

It’s not an issue in American. Thing is we are talking about renouncing citizenship so the comparison is to other countries.

Looking deeply at the social counteracts of other countries is really interesting because of how many different things we take for granted aren’t universal. Free speech in the US is more limited than I would like, but it gets much worse even in countries that look civilized in other ways.

[trasz]

FBI has no jurisdiction outside the US, so you don’t gain anything this way.

Free speech in US is poorer than in most Western countries, as it fails to protect you from anything other than most government institutions. For example in US it’s fine for your employer to fire you because they don’t like what you say in your private time. Other countries provide better protection.

My question is still unanswered: why would anyone in US even think about their law enforcement invoicing the victims?

[Retric]

https://www.fbi.gov/about/leadership-and-structure/internati...

The FBI may get involved for citizens outside the US. The international situation is complex but being or not being a US citizen can very much change FBI involvement.

PS: My question is still unanswered: why would anyone in US even think about their law enforcement invoicing the victims? It’s a concern if your considering renouncing citizenship and moving to a country where it’s a concern just as free speech should be a concern if your moving to a country without it.

[FredPret]

No one is thinking that. It was an example by the other commenter of a free and valuable service provided by the government as part of their side of the bargain

[bcrosby95]

> as it fails to protect you from anything other than most government institutions.

Depends on the state. The US isn't as simple as you're making it out to be.

[Tostino]

For investigating a crime the victim was involved with. At least that's how I interpreted GP's comment.

[FredPret]

Reciprocal relationship = either party can end it under certain circumstances. If the taxpayer wants to move, the state has no moral right to force them to stay