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by Retric 1773 days ago
It’s not an issue in American. Thing is we are talking about renouncing citizenship so the comparison is to other countries.

Looking deeply at the social counteracts of other countries is really interesting because of how many different things we take for granted aren’t universal. Free speech in the US is more limited than I would like, but it gets much worse even in countries that look civilized in other ways.
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trasz 1773 days ago
FBI has no jurisdiction outside the US, so you don’t gain anything this way.

Free speech in US is poorer than in most Western countries, as it fails to protect you from anything other than most government institutions. For example in US it’s fine for your employer to fire you because they don’t like what you say in your private time. Other countries provide better protection.

My question is still unanswered: why would anyone in US even think about their law enforcement invoicing the victims?

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Retric 1773 days ago
https://www.fbi.gov/about/leadership-and-structure/internati...

The FBI may get involved for citizens outside the US. The international situation is complex but being or not being a US citizen can very much change FBI involvement.

PS: My question is still unanswered: why would anyone in US even think about their law enforcement invoicing the victims? It’s a concern if your considering renouncing citizenship and moving to a country where it’s a concern just as free speech should be a concern if your moving to a country without it.

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FredPret 1773 days ago
No one is thinking that. It was an example by the other commenter of a free and valuable service provided by the government as part of their side of the bargain
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trasz 1773 days ago
A service which is always provided for free - there are no countries that invoice victims. It’s the fact that the commenter assumed it might not be free that’s frightening.
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FredPret 1772 days ago
That’s the whole point, it’s always free. The commenter pointed out that it’s a valuable service that is always free as part of the social contract. You can be frightened by this if you’re really determined to be, but no sinister dystopia was implied.
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Retric 1773 days ago
It’s common for cops to require bribes to investigate crimes in developing countries. Not every time, but almost every interaction can end up as a shakedown.
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bcrosby95 1773 days ago
> as it fails to protect you from anything other than most government institutions.

Depends on the state. The US isn't as simple as you're making it out to be.

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