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by blntechie 1879 days ago
This is so common nowadays that for many sites I have the direct login page bookmarked. It indirectly implies that once you sign-up, the company stops caring about you. At-least for me.
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It's punishment for deleting your cookie. Don't sign in we don't want that. Just stay signed in. Trust us.
There are some websites that are both super aggressive about timing out your session and also make you play hide and seek for the login button. Of the sites I use frequently UPS used to be about the worst offender but the most recent version of their site does have a usable login link.
Vanguard is another one that drives me up the wall. Going to Vanguard.com doesn't have a sign in area to autofill with a password manager; you have to go to the personal investors page. And sessions are hard limited to 15 minutes so you have to jump through these hoops every time. I have the correct page bookmarked but even on that page the log in boxes don't appear until half way down.
The same Vanguard that could have millions of dollars of investments in your account? What’s the appropriate time out?
I don't think the criticism is the logout time, it's the fact that you have to hunt for the button. The logout time only exasperates the problem.
How about having a short timeout for making transactions and a longer timeout for viewing balances and transactions?
Should probably require a TOTP MFA code for all movements of money anyway regardless of session validity.
Totally agree, Vanguard's landing page is a disaster.

I was able to directly link this page however, which I bookmarked:

https://personal.vanguard.com/us/AuthLogin

Even the solution in the article seems to suggest using cookies.

I don’t understand the problem, if people want to try or sign-up for your service they’ll locate the signup button. That’s a one time problem. A hidden login button just annoys existing customers.

My feeling is that this is down to testing without privacy in mind. Your site might be fine, but others aren’t so a minority of users will clear cookies at the end of each browser session. That’s not a senario most will test for or experience.

Agree, I always use incognito/private mode and maybe that’s the reason I see this more often than others.
It implies that because it’s literally true. Not a complete loss of care, but it makes sense to hide the sign in button because users who are already signed up are already invested, and less likely to abandon the service. The front pages main job is to grow the company by attracting new users, and a sign in button for users who aren’t going anywhere anyways gets in the way of that.
Inconveniencing either current or prospective customers never ‘makes sense’. It’s not like you have a fixed amount of inconvenience you have to distribute.
You have a fixed amount of screen real estate on the landing page. Distributing it to your most important users for that page (prospective users) does make sense to me.
Is the solution presented in the blog to utilize a cookie to determine if someone is a prospective user versus already a user not an acceptable compromise?

It seems rather straightforward to me, from their example, to de-emphasize the "Sign Up" button and prioritize the "Sign In" button for someone who already has an account.

That seems like a good strategy to me. It raises the question though, is it worth the cost of maintaining a separate page?
I can’t see how people that already pay me money could not be the most important users?
Your existing and paying users are:

1. Less likely to abandon your service than prospective users

2. by far less likely to even see your landing page, since they’re usually already logged in.

In this specific context, your existing users are the less important ones.

While that may be the case (I'd also argue that the front page should be a welcoming place for existing users), showing me that you value your existing users is a great marketing move.

It's otherwise very hard to convey that you care about existing customers so this seems like a no-brainer.

Churn is a thing though and is as important as conversions
Remember when a CRM was concerned with following the lifecycle of the customer, not just getting to the initial sale?

Perhaps these are similar symptoms.

> once you sign-up, the company stops caring about you

precisely