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by Albedoen 2330 days ago
Hey guys, I've been serving 5+MeO-DMT in the context of self-development program for entrepreneurs for the past 2 years.

I've personally engaged in 400+ journeys myself.

Feel free to AMA.

The most important point I wish to bring is that it is SUPREMELY IMPORTANT to work with facilitators who provide preparation & integration.

The potential for self-transformation and liberation from emotions not accessible by traditional means is profound.

If you feel the impulse, go for it!

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400+? I understand one or a few, but at this point is it just an entertainment? Or is it dopamine? If you had a perfect blissful state at a push of a button would you just keep pressing it?

I'm guessing that doing it this often, it's your "relax" before sleep at this point. So regardless of how much your actions aligned with your goals, or if you don't like that framework, how much you enjoyed doing whatever you did that day, you get that kick. I mean, I do that with music, but it seems that to resolve all conflicts in that complicated universe that is your head, you sometimes need to feel bad for a few days and figure out which things are colliding.

I am working on embodying Beingness if that makes any sense. It's not like I do it every day. I work with it on and off. A few intense days then integration & application of what came through. I don't have "personal goals" per say, but work more with what is coming though me - living as a form of surrender.
Have you observed any patterns in the effects 5-MeO-DMT had on the people you administered it to? I'm particularly interested in long-term effects and long-term changes in beliefs and behaviors.

Also, what are some of the worst negative effects you've observed among the people you facilitated for?

Yes, engaging with 5-MeO-DMT in a progressive way until one reaches "full release" (aka ego death) is the process I use.

People who go through this once come back to the other side utterly transformed. With the proper preparation and integration, they have a far greater ability to live a more aligned life in which it is easier to manifest situation of highest potential.

I've seen people release PTSD linked with being in combat, release sexual abuse in childhood (of which they were unaware), release profound rage & anger.

Each person having gone through the process has left behind "heavy layers" of pain.

The worst effect I've seen with people is going through a period of frustration and resistance by trying to go back to their "old" life. This has each time subsided as their new life takes off.

I must say I use a progressive process that I haven't seen anywhere else. The preparation process I use gets you prepared as best as possible (even though you are NEVER prepared for the experience of non-duality). It is then easier to retain the greatest changes. The integration makes sure you can transform the insights and realizations into applications in your life, which is the true integration.

Having witnessed at least 100 sessions, there are no long-term changes beyond the participant having intimately experienced some aspect of the infinite (whether it be harrowing or blissful) and as a result knowing that that potentiality exists.

Behaviorally most just go back to the same patterns and aren't particularly changed. Ayahuasca, due to the before/after dietary constraints, is more effective (IMO) in inducing lifestyle changes.

That said, 5MeO is the death experience (i.e. it very likely mirrors the experience at the moment of physical death) and is, if nothing else, great practice for the real thing :)

In terms of adverse effects, some wounded warriors take days, weeks, or even months to heal, but that's the same for any psychedelic, a segment of the population will be adversely affected.

Also, 5MeO can be abused; I've encountered at least one facilitator who takes it daily (over 3K journeys), which seems somewhat excessive, and can be seen in their flat affect (i.e. you'd expect such a being to radiate joy if number of journeys === depth of experience).

> Behaviorally most just go back to the same patterns and aren't particularly changed.

From what i read of the Johns Hopkins studies using psychedelics to quit smoking, CBT style sessions before the psychedelics was a key part of the program.

Is preparation & integration part of the 100 sessions you have witnessed?

I agree that without the proper context & assistance, most of the effect is just wasted and remains in people's Being as a distant experience.

There is no preparation for 5MeO per se, as no amount of meditation, yoga, mantra practice, etc. can save you during the experience, but certainly abstaining from alcohol, eating a vegetarian diet, avoiding conflict in the days leading up to the ceremony, and so on, are recommended by the facilitator.

As far as integration goes, I mean, who really knows the territory of the infinite such that they can help another through some difficulty in their own unique path? Most facilitators that I've seen just collect the rather large cash based consulting fee and move on to the next group, with a hug or pat on the back if a participant had a difficult journey.

I'm certainly skeptical when there's an undeniable profit motive involved, so the whole facilitator role is a bit overblown; there's no shamanic tradition behind Bufo (discovered in the 80s), it's just people that have had experience with the substance serving it to others, hopefully with good intentions.

Yes, I resonate with what you share. The lack of integration. People taking fees to just hand you a pipe without support. Not everyone is like that however.

I also agree that nothing can prepare for the non-duality - but preparation can help you make the most of the experience & retain what was meaningful to you.

You'd be surprised how far we've come in terms of knowledge. We do have the practical models to navigate the dual experience having had the non-dual experience. Understanding that you are the embodiment of the Infinite through your direct experience isn't an end in itself. It is a beginning.

I have developed "business models of Being" for a lack of better terms that frames how to operate in an optimal fashion in the practical world of service.

Even without psychedelics, persons suffering from psychological issues can have breakdowns in therapeutic sessions. Professional therapists are very careful to not unlock 'dangerous' memories and insights prematurely, they wait until they consider the patient ready to deal with it. They also have emergency plans in place, reaching so far as taking care that an overwhelmed patient is afterwards treated in a hospital for a while to safely recover. Do you have such emergency plans in place?

While I trust that you can give psychologically healthy people a good experience, I have a hard time imagining how you could give the necessary support to people with larger issues. And because those issues are often deeply hidden, it is hard even for professionals to detect that in advance.

Where are you based? How can a person participate in a program?

I've grown a lot from my experiences with ayahuasca and bufo but still have some inner work to do. I am integrating every day best I can but I feel the Call to dive deeper once in awhile.

I'm based in Belgium but have done programs in Malta, Norway, Ibiza, Italy. I work mostly from word of mouth, people having gone through the program sharing their experience with others. Is there a way for you to reach me without me sharing my email or website publicly?
Thank you for offering to answer questions.

1. After so many trips, I am wondering if you've seen any negative effects? Anything like DR/DP, HPPD, depression etc.?

2. Have you tried other substances? If so, any preferences? Why do you prefer 5+MeO-DMT?

I'll answer Q2 before Q1.

Q2. I've used ayahuasca 50+ times, mushrooms 15-ish times in full journeys & microdosing for 1 year, peyote, mapacho a few times. Iboga: 2 months of microdosing & a proper flood dose. I prefer 5-MeO-DMT because it is efficient, it is direct, fact acting & doesn't carry the discomfort of nausea etc like other psychedelics. 5-MeO-DMT is called the crown jewel of psychedelics and I fully agree. It is the only one proper to use for first timers (with the proper support) in a personal-development business context.

Q1. In all my journeys, I have never had a bad trip. I've had challenging journeys but no bad trips. Then I've experienced emotional upheaval during short periods of time, emotional flush as I call them. No DR/DP, HPPD or depression to report. I must say I've engaged with entheogens after a lot of self-work already and a lot of education in the nature of the universe. I ALWAYS approach entheogens with an attitude of humility & surrender.

Thank you for your reply.

I am way less experienced than you are, and yet I can't help but feel that your experience is somewhat atypical. I never had a bad trip myself, but I can definitely see how one could happen. Given high doses and time, I'd say it's almost guaranteed. Also, HPPD seems to be correlated with the number of trips and definitely not as rare as some statistics might suggest. However, it's largely unresearched, so who knows? I'm not criticizing in any way, just saying you're one of the lucky ones, I'd guess.

If you will allow me one more question, I'd like to know how this has changed your perception about well... everything? It's a broad question, but I guess sort of aimed at your reason for existence, death and so on. In my case, experimenting with psychedelics both revealed the unavoidability of death, but also cured me from the fear of it. Overall, I'd say that's a win, but it definitely had its challenges. Because of those challenges, I avoid blindly recommending psychedelics to friends, the desire to confront such issues has to come from within.

How it changed me and my perception?

I profoundly KNOW (not believe) that I am the embodiment of the Infinite, I live my life in a game I have designed for myself, I create my own reality and everyone is another facet of Me, the Infinite. It doesn't make sense to choose less than Love or choose less than EXACTLY what my heart desires. I live my life as such. To the best of y ability, I walk my talk & serve as best as I can. Psychedelics are not for everyone, but I feel those who feel the calling are lucky bastards :-) It's such a beautiful world is you can sustain the intensity of inner transformation, but of you feel the calling, then this is what you are after.