[watwut]

First, sadness is normal human emotion and not just attempt to manipulate others to get attention. The feeling of sadness is not childish or immature.

Second, isolation does not make people more resistant to anything. Isolated people are more depressed, more passive rather then trying to change things and have more mental health problems. More likely to develop problem with alcohol or drugs.

That holds true for stay at home moms who have to often deal with long term isolation. It holds truth in extreme cases, such as in isolation in prison, where people go crazy.

[mapcars]

>sadness is normal human emotion and not just attempt to manipulate others to get attention

It is a human emotion, I never said it is not human or not normal. What I am saying is you are the one who creates emotions. Growing up means to realize it and to get charge of it instead of being reactive as children do.

>Second, isolation does not make people more resistant to anything

I am not talking about resistance or isolation, I am talking about paying attention to how your emotions and thoughts work, the less external noise you have the better you can do it. The more you pay attention - the better you understand it, the better you understand it the better you can handle it. Not resilience, but learning the way one learns to handle legs and walk or to handle hands and write. That's that simple.

>Isolated people are more depressed, more passive rather then trying to change things and have more mental health problems

That is exactly about learning how to be alone, it's like if one is accidentally got into deep water they can drown but if you do it slowly, consciously, you become more and more comfortable, stop worrying and start enjoying it. It can also be done with support, like they do in retreats and some monasteries.

Unfortunately in western culture this was not understood and denied on many levels, and I see how that links to current epidemic of loneliness.

[watwut]

Literally all adults I know react to their emotions. Including those who hide them, they are still reactive to own emotions.

> That is exactly about learning how to be alone, it's like if one is accidentally got into deep water they can drown but if you do it slowly, consciously, you become more and more comfortable, stop worrying and start enjoying it.

That is not how long term isolation work. Yes, your social skills will go down and you will start avoiding people - it will be too tiring to talk to them. That is not the same as being happy isolated tho. That is more of being unhappy no matter what.

> Unfortunately in western culture this was not understood and denied on many levels, and I see how that links to current epidemic of loneliness.

It is quite common situation of temporary stay at home moms. Few years in mostly isolation. That is not exactly lost or unusual situation at all.

> It can also be done with support, like they do in retreats and some monasteries.

There is way more in being nun then just isolation. There is also complete control over pretty much everything you do, who you talk with and what emotions you show. Obeissance and routine.

Not that I would see that as super healthy tho.

[mapcars]

>Literally all adults I know react to their emotions

If they can react consciously I'd expect them not to get into sadness or depression like at all.

>There is way more in being nun then just isolation

I'm not talking about extreme isolation, more like buddhist places where you can stay for a week or month without talking and not knowing other people and just face how it is to be alone. Not isolated alone, but "socially" alone and all arrangements are made so you don't worry about stuff like food and can fully go into it.

[watwut]

> and all arrangements are made so you don't worry about stuff like food and can fully go into it

Then you have help of people who do arrangements and even complete dependence on them. If you get sick, they will take you to doctor. If you will have mental breakdown, they will take you out.

Being alone as in without "help you when you're sad, desperate, sick" means that if you are sick, you go to store and you cook and you have to pick up kids from school no matter how bad it feels. It means that if your close one dies or you loose job, you are still alone and with no one to talk with.

> where you can stay for a week or month without talking and not knowing other people and just face how it is to be alone

That will not teach you to be alone. Week or month of being alone is like ... nothing. It is comfortable holidays, everything is arranged so that no external event have even possibility to influence you. Even if you lost job during this time, you would not know.

> If they can react consciously I'd expect them not to get into sadness or depression like at all.

Oh they do. And they do go to anger too. And to frustration.

[mapcars]

>If you get sick, they will take you to doctor. If you will have mental breakdown, they will take you out.

They will take you to the doctor but no mental help as this is exactly what you have to learn to handle there.

>Being alone as in without "help you when you're sad, desperate, sick" means that if you are sick, you go to store and you cook and you have to pick up kids from school no matter how bad it feels. It means that if your close one dies or you loose job, you are still alone and with no one to talk with.

So if this happens and you haven't found how to handle loneliness it will be much more devastating than if you have had some similar experience before. I am talking about doing it in a "safe" but still real atmosphere which will develop certain qualities. Of course, real-life staff will be different, but it's better to have some idea of how it is.

>That will not teach you to be alone. Week or month of being alone is like ... nothing. It is comfortable holidays, everything is arranged

This depends on you if month is a holiday for you - go for 1 year. If you don't like comfort - there are places where you have to cook, you have to clean, wash and so on.

>Oh they do. And they do go to anger too. And to frustration.

To me, this means they don't know how to manage their emotions. I don't know what you mean when you say "they all can".

[reroute1]

>Literally all adults I know react to their emotions

>> If they can react consciously I'd expect them not to get into sadness or depression like at all.

This feels backwards. Sometimes depression is the correct response to what is happening in the world. Just because you are conscious of what is transpiring within really isn't going to stop true depression.

What do you say to someone who recently lost a loved one in a brutal senseless manner? Oh, you should just like react consciously and not be sad...

[mapcars]

>Sometimes depression is the correct response to what is happening in the world. Just because you are conscious of what is transpiring within really isn't going to stop true depression.

The response is what you choose. If you choose depression - ok, that's your choice. But don't call it correct and don't force other people to feel bad when they choose another response.

>What do you say to someone who recently lost a loved one in a brutal senseless manner?

If it was very recent I would say some supportive things. But otherwise, I would show them that life still goes on, because the only way to end suffering is to accept the reality whichever way it is.

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> But don't call it correct and don't force other people to feel bad when they choose another response.

Why not? Why is depression not a correct response? I don't think you know much about depression or psychology