But imprisoning people for extended periods of time in unsanitary conditions, without a fair trial[1] and entrapping legally-resident students into violating their visa conditions by setting up a fake university[2] is not a legitimate nor ethical method of immigration enforcement. Being against ICE and their actions is not the same as being against the concept of immigration enforcement.
[1]: The tribunal hearings are effectively a kangaroo court -- there are cases of pre-teen children being asked to make a legal defense without an attorney or their parents.
Entrapment is usually a horrible thing to do, but it is unfortunately standard practice with local police as well as the FBI. Would you agree that those agencies should not have technical services provided to them?
Entrapment as defined by the law is illegal. However, what a lot of these agencies do is not strictly entrapment as defined by the law, and as such is very legal (unfortunately). I'm betting the majority of terrorism cases in the US since 9/11 involved what looks like entrapment, and I believe pretty much all of them have held up in court.
So my question remains. When all of these agencies are practising legal entrapment, would you agree never to provide services to them?
>But imprisoning people for extended periods of time in unsanitary conditions
Trump has asked for additional funding for supplies including beds and toothbrushes. Trump as the head of the executive branch is in charge of ICE. So ICE has effectively asked for additional supplies. Congress hasn't done anything about that. It is not ICE's fault.
>entrapping legally-resident students into violating their visa conditions by setting up a fake university
This was started under Obama. Surely if this was a big issue then Github shouldn't have gotten into the contract in the first place.
> Trump has asked for additional funding for supplies including beds and toothbrushes. Trump as the head of the executive branch is in charge of ICE.
Was that before or after the public outcry over it? Also, there's the separation of parents and children which he definitely hasn't done anything about.
>Was that before or after the public outcry over it?
Trump advocated additional funding for ICE while he was still a candidate. As far as I know he did not specifically mention beds, toothbrushes, soap, etc until he was in office. Since practically nobody cared about the poor conditions of ICE detention centers while Obama was in office Trump may not have even know that they did not have enough supplies. I am unsure if Trump would have advocated for additional supplies if he had known.
>Also, there's the separation of parents and children which he definitely hasn't done anything about.
What is he supposed to do? There are 5 different things he can do and none of them are good.
1. Release parents and children into the US regardless of legal status.
2. Keep children in jail with their parents.
3. Separate children by sending them back to their country.
4. Separate children by placing them somewhere in the US (either with family or social services).
5. Send the entire family back to their country they came from.
A lot of the who make your point say to release them into the US. The problem is it would put a large strain on the welfare system. Even Bernie Sanders and others like him have explicitly said that it is not practical with the current system.
So what would you do with the children?
>How is that a defense? It's still unethical.
I am saying if setting up fake universities and entrapping people was a big deal then the deal between Github and ICE never should have been entered into. Github did not start the deal under Trump. They started it under Obama. Almost nobody seemed to care when Obama did the same thing Trump is doing. The media wasn't talking about it multiple times a day. People were not making speeches while crying about how awful it was. It feels like people only care now that Trump is in power. It was well known what was happening with ICE (and INS before them). It feels so political. That is all I was trying to convey.
> This government agency is actively committing numerous crimes and human rights violations, in contravention of both US and international law. ICE conducts random violent raids throughout the United States, invades communities and workplaces with military equipment, detains busses and trains, and arrests people solely on the basis of their perceived nationality, skin color, or native language. Their agents lurk outside of schools in order to abduct the children of immigrants and force their families to surrender themselves into custody. ICE imprisons people in deplorable and unsanitary conditions and denies them medical care. They separate the children they imprison from their families and offer them for adoption by others via agencies with shady histories. ICE agents subject both the adults and children they imprison to horrific physical, psychological, and sexual abuse. They continue to commit these heinous acts in defiance of multiple judgments issued by US courts and condemnations by humanitarian organizations. Many people, including children, have now died in their custody.
I understand some people just don't like immigrants for many reasons outside of racism/bigotry/xenophobia. Economics and culture being two of many reasonable reasons to dislike immigration.
But having a wing of government acting like the taliban does nothing but empower actual racist/xenophobic/bigoted individuals to enact their deepest sadistic fantasies on these people. This is clearly not simply immigration enforcement.
I support immigration enforcement. I do not support ICE. Supporting ICE is supporting and empowering racism and xenophobia full stop.
Can you state what immigration enforcement you support? The level of hyperbole in your response indicates that you see all immigration enforcement as cruel and unusual.
The most obvious one and one which I believe would systematically kill illegal immigration is simply penalizing businesses which employ illegal immigrants. Either with harsh fines or even possibly jail time.
ICE is simply trying to pull weeds when what you need to do is kill the root. Illegal immigrants come because of many reasons, but primary is to cheat the system that legal immigrants use to find a better life.
If you make the job opportunities sparse, you kill the desire at the root. Open borders is a problem, especially in today's climate change world but it exists because people are willing to employ illegals for below market rates. It's the worst of all worlds for all, except the employer who gets off with cheap labour.
If we do this, we'll finally see if the xenophobes put their money where their mouth is and take back the jobs illegal immigrants have "stolen" from them.
If you took time to read the summary in that README, you'd get all the citations you could want.
In the face of all the horrific reports coming from those jail cells, tell me how actively supporting ICE is not. Hell, name even one government facility where numerous children have died because of neglect and abuse at the hands of government officials.
And again, I can guarantee that illegal immigration will not stop because of ICE's shock tactics. It's just another hoop to jump through. Some of these people escaped the clutches of cartels, for chrissake. You underestimate the resolve of people who find no hope in their current situations.
I said in another comment the way to stop illegal immigration is via jailing business owners that hire illegal immigrants. This is just the war on drugs all over again. You're jailing the users, not the pushers.