[thebokehwokeh2]

Immigration enforcement, yes. ICE immigration enforcement though?

> This government agency is actively committing numerous crimes and human rights violations, in contravention of both US and international law. ICE conducts random violent raids throughout the United States, invades communities and workplaces with military equipment, detains busses and trains, and arrests people solely on the basis of their perceived nationality, skin color, or native language. Their agents lurk outside of schools in order to abduct the children of immigrants and force their families to surrender themselves into custody. ICE imprisons people in deplorable and unsanitary conditions and denies them medical care. They separate the children they imprison from their families and offer them for adoption by others via agencies with shady histories. ICE agents subject both the adults and children they imprison to horrific physical, psychological, and sexual abuse. They continue to commit these heinous acts in defiance of multiple judgments issued by US courts and condemnations by humanitarian organizations. Many people, including children, have now died in their custody.

I understand some people just don't like immigrants for many reasons outside of racism/bigotry/xenophobia. Economics and culture being two of many reasonable reasons to dislike immigration.

But having a wing of government acting like the taliban does nothing but empower actual racist/xenophobic/bigoted individuals to enact their deepest sadistic fantasies on these people. This is clearly not simply immigration enforcement.

I support immigration enforcement. I do not support ICE. Supporting ICE is supporting and empowering racism and xenophobia full stop.

[sol_remmy2]

> I support immigration enforcement.

Can you state what immigration enforcement you support? The level of hyperbole in your response indicates that you see all immigration enforcement as cruel and unusual.

[thebokehwokeh2]

The most obvious one and one which I believe would systematically kill illegal immigration is simply penalizing businesses which employ illegal immigrants. Either with harsh fines or even possibly jail time.

ICE is simply trying to pull weeds when what you need to do is kill the root. Illegal immigrants come because of many reasons, but primary is to cheat the system that legal immigrants use to find a better life.

If you make the job opportunities sparse, you kill the desire at the root. Open borders is a problem, especially in today's climate change world but it exists because people are willing to employ illegals for below market rates. It's the worst of all worlds for all, except the employer who gets off with cheap labour.

If we do this, we'll finally see if the xenophobes put their money where their mouth is and take back the jobs illegal immigrants have "stolen" from them.

[LiNeXT]

> But having a wing of government acting like the taliban

Source? Citation?

> Supporting ICE is supporting and empowering racism and xenophobia full stop.

No, it isn't.

[thebokehwokeh2]

If you took time to read the summary in that README, you'd get all the citations you could want.

In the face of all the horrific reports coming from those jail cells, tell me how actively supporting ICE is not. Hell, name even one government facility where numerous children have died because of neglect and abuse at the hands of government officials.

And again, I can guarantee that illegal immigration will not stop because of ICE's shock tactics. It's just another hoop to jump through. Some of these people escaped the clutches of cartels, for chrissake. You underestimate the resolve of people who find no hope in their current situations.

I said in another comment the way to stop illegal immigration is via jailing business owners that hire illegal immigrants. This is just the war on drugs all over again. You're jailing the users, not the pushers.

All ICE does is enable actual racists and bigots (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/politics/border-patrol...) to enact their fantasies of making immigrants lives a living hell.

[LiNeXT]

Hyperbole isn't a citation.