[cyphar]

But imprisoning people for extended periods of time in unsanitary conditions, without a fair trial[1] and entrapping legally-resident students into violating their visa conditions by setting up a fake university[2] is not a legitimate nor ethical method of immigration enforcement. Being against ICE and their actions is not the same as being against the concept of immigration enforcement.

[1]: The tribunal hearings are effectively a kangaroo court -- there are cases of pre-teen children being asked to make a legal defense without an attorney or their parents.

[2]: https://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/11/27/ic...

[BeetleB]

Entrapment is usually a horrible thing to do, but it is unfortunately standard practice with local police as well as the FBI. Would you agree that those agencies should not have technical services provided to them?

[iron0013]

If they are operating illegally (as entrapment is illegal), then the answer is obviously yes!

[BeetleB]

Entrapment as defined by the law is illegal. However, what a lot of these agencies do is not strictly entrapment as defined by the law, and as such is very legal (unfortunately). I'm betting the majority of terrorism cases in the US since 9/11 involved what looks like entrapment, and I believe pretty much all of them have held up in court.

So my question remains. When all of these agencies are practising legal entrapment, would you agree never to provide services to them?

[_-david-_]

>But imprisoning people for extended periods of time in unsanitary conditions

Trump has asked for additional funding for supplies including beds and toothbrushes. Trump as the head of the executive branch is in charge of ICE. So ICE has effectively asked for additional supplies. Congress hasn't done anything about that. It is not ICE's fault.

>entrapping legally-resident students into violating their visa conditions by setting up a fake university

This was started under Obama. Surely if this was a big issue then Github shouldn't have gotten into the contract in the first place.

[cyphar]

> Trump has asked for additional funding for supplies including beds and toothbrushes. Trump as the head of the executive branch is in charge of ICE.

Was that before or after the public outcry over it? Also, there's the separation of parents and children which he definitely hasn't done anything about.

> This was started under Obama.

How is that a defense? It's still unethical.

[_-david-_]

>Was that before or after the public outcry over it?

Trump advocated additional funding for ICE while he was still a candidate. As far as I know he did not specifically mention beds, toothbrushes, soap, etc until he was in office. Since practically nobody cared about the poor conditions of ICE detention centers while Obama was in office Trump may not have even know that they did not have enough supplies. I am unsure if Trump would have advocated for additional supplies if he had known.

>Also, there's the separation of parents and children which he definitely hasn't done anything about.

What is he supposed to do? There are 5 different things he can do and none of them are good.

1. Release parents and children into the US regardless of legal status.

2. Keep children in jail with their parents.

3. Separate children by sending them back to their country.

4. Separate children by placing them somewhere in the US (either with family or social services).

5. Send the entire family back to their country they came from.

A lot of the who make your point say to release them into the US. The problem is it would put a large strain on the welfare system. Even Bernie Sanders and others like him have explicitly said that it is not practical with the current system.

So what would you do with the children?

>How is that a defense? It's still unethical.

I am saying if setting up fake universities and entrapping people was a big deal then the deal between Github and ICE never should have been entered into. Github did not start the deal under Trump. They started it under Obama. Almost nobody seemed to care when Obama did the same thing Trump is doing. The media wasn't talking about it multiple times a day. People were not making speeches while crying about how awful it was. It feels like people only care now that Trump is in power. It was well known what was happening with ICE (and INS before them). It feels so political. That is all I was trying to convey.