[nullc]

The text of the ruling is incredibly unclear.

You could read the ruling as saying that if you have coins on both the old system and the new system that you recieved an 'air drop' and owe taxes. Or you could attempt to read it as saying that you only received an 'air drop' if there was a "transfer" and not merely state copying.

The latter interpretation is more reasonable in effect but seriously frustrated by the total lack of guidance on setting the cost basis of the resulting assets! Also the language of the ruling comes very close to directly contradicting this interpretation: "Situation 1: A did not receive units of the new cryptocurrency, Crypto N, from the hard fork;".

The former interpretation is frustrated by the absurd result that users of eth, bcash, or other centrally administered frequently hardforking cryptocurrencies would owe income tax multiple times over for every one of those coins they own... even though the original systems have largely (but not completely) been ignored, and aren't valued as much. So what, are users of those systems supposed to have over and over against recognized ordinary income for nearly the total value of their holdings and sold the original coins and taken a capital loss on them (which they couldn't deduct against their ordinary income, except in a limited way)?

[wmf]

...total lack of guidance on setting the cost basis of the resulting assets...

"A24. If you receive cryptocurrency from an airdrop following a hard fork, your basis in that cryptocurrency is equal to the amount you included in income on your Federal income tax return. The amount included in income is the fair market value of the cryptocurrency when you received it. You have received the cryptocurrency when you can transfer, sell, exchange, or otherwise dispose of it, which is generally the date and time the airdrop is recorded on the distributed ledger. See Rev. Rul. 2019-24. For more information on basis, see Publication 551, Basis of Assets." (I realize the FAQ may not be legally binding, but there it is.)

[nullc]

Sorry, You've misunderstood my comment.

Some people, like the person I was responding to, are looking at Situation 1 in the ruling as saying that when a fork happens and there are two cryptocurrencies and you didn't receive any additional "new" cryptocurrency (just two, now independently spendable, copies of cryptocurrency you already had) that taxes aren't owed.

They adopt this reading in part because the only other interpretation of Situation 1 is that it's talking about an irrelevant and uninteresting case.

They imagine that you only owe taxes if in addition to the coins copied by the fork you also receive additional "air drop" units, Situation 2's 'owned 50, airdropped 25' contributes to that interpretation.

They think in situation 1 you have 50 coins of M and 50 coins of N and owe no taxes, and in situation 2 you have 50 coins of R and 75 coins of S and owe taxes on 25 S.

I think this interpretation doesn't work well, both because it's totally silent on the cost basis of the copied coins and because of the text at the top of page 5.

As a separate problem with this ruling, if you do adopt the view that when a fork comes into existence you "received" coins, there is usually no fair market value at that time because the coins were not tradable in any way until later. In some cases seen so far one side of the fork or another doesn't become effectively tradable for months, we may eventually see examples where a market doesn't form for years.

[In a few cases there is potentially a FMV at fork time, e.g. when there were liquid futures markets ahead of the fork (has only happened even arguably once, AFAIK), or when many market participants decided to give the new asset the old asset's ticker.]

[gamblor956]

Your misreading the ruling. It considers the forked coins to be new coins. However they're not income until actually received in your exchange account.

The cost basis of the new coins is $0 because you paid nothing to acquire them. If they have value when received for some reason, they take on the value you claim as income in your tax return. This may be possible if for example other exchanges have already enabled transactions in that fork and established a value.

[nullc]

> However they're not income until actually received in your exchange account.

What exchange account? -- yes, many (IMO foolish) users keep coins in exchanges, many don't. :)

I'd love to read it the way you're reading it.

> The cost basis of the new coins is $0 because you paid nothing to acquire them.

The document states:

> When a taxpayer receives property that is not purchased, unless otherwise provided in the Code, the taxpayer’s basis in the property received is determined by reference to the amount included in gross income, which is the fair market value of the property when the property is received.

So I guess you'd take the position that if you got access to the coins at the instant of the fork, when there is no FMV yet, then you'd report $0 income and have a $0 cost basis. Otherwise, if your access was delayed and there was a FMV, you'd treat that as income and it would become your cost basis?

[gamblor956]

What exchange account? -- yes, many (IMO foolish) users keep coins in exchanges, many don't. :)

Doesn't matter, only that you use an exchange for the guidance to apply. If you receive the coins directly, this guidance isn't really relevant.

So I guess you'd take the position that if you got access to the coins at the instant of the fork, when there is no FMV yet, then you'd report $0 income and have a $0 cost basis. Otherwise, if your access was delayed and there was a FMV, you'd treat that as income and it would become your cost basis?

Yes, correct. If the forkcoin is worth $X at the time of receipt, you are taxed on $X income because your cost basis at the time is $0. But because you were taxed on $X, your cost basis is set to $X.

[jkepler]

That 'guidance' isn't clear, as its quite frequent that when a hard fork occurs, there's speculation on the value of the new chain before the split, and high volatility after the split. In a number of cases, there aren't actually functional markets allowing price discovery for the new chain; thus the IRS hasn't yet given any guidance on establishing a new chain's cost basis.

[klodolph]

> You could read the ruling as saying that if you have coins on both the old system and the new system that you recieved an 'air drop' and owe taxes.

The text is fairly clear on this point, that a hard fork may or may not be followed by an airdrop, because it has a separate entry for “hard fork followed by airdrop” and “hard fork not followed by airdrop”.

So if you have a hard fork, and your old coins are now on two forks, that’s not income. “Hard fork without airdrop.”

I am not sure what else “hard fork without airdrop” could possibly mean.

Agreed that the cost basis for these coins is unclear.

[gamblor956]

Cost basis is very clear. It's zero, because there is no cost to acquiring the forked coins.

[klodolph]

Which ledger’s coins have the zero cost basis?

[gamblor956]

The forked/new ones, i.e., the ones you received because of the original crypto held.

[dragonwriter]

> The latter interpretation is frustrated by the total lack of guidance on setting the cost basis of the resulting assets!

IMO, the most reasonable interpretation without a specific basis-splitting rule, given that the IRS divides a hard fork into a legacy ledger a and a new ledger would be that the basis value for the new ledger entries (being that they are created by the fork at no cost) is zero, with the legacy ledger entries retaining their original basis value.

[nullc]

I agree that is a logically consistent position and wouldn't be entirely absurd. But I can't extract that position from their ruling.

It's also not one free of unexpected negative consequences in the case where the new system doesn't have a low value. Consider, a number of altcoins with more centralized administration have frequently hardforked and the ticker symbol and most of the value went to the new system while the old system was largely devalued.

So your policy would end up constantly resetting the holding period for these assets and the tax treatment would also be disadvantaged because it would tend to create short term gains and long term losses essentially out of nowhere.

E.g. You own Ethereum for two years. Then Eth hardforks to undo the execution of the DAO smart contract and return the lost funds eth's administrators. The original Ethereum continues, but the value and ticker symbol follow the new blockchain. A month later you sell all your coins. Did you just create a short term gain of the full value of the coins and a long term loss?

[gamblor956]

That is exactly how it should turn out.

The hard fork was ethereum's failure as a result of the technical inability to roll back the transactions the proper way (i.e., by just undoing the redactions themselves) and the tax law shouldn't be changed just for that.

[jkepler]

Your interpretation makes sense to me. However, the problem is that the IRS didn't actually state that in their limited guidance.

[dragonwriter]

I think it's the most reasonable reading of the guidance, but I would agree that it would be vastly superior if this (or some other treatment) was made quite explicit. Guidance should do a better job of guiding.

[nullc]

How do you square your interpretation with the text at the top of page 5?

It appears to be saying in situation 1 you have no N-coins at all. By exclusion, situation 2 would apply if you have the new coins and it clearly states taxes are owned on the market value in that case.

[gamblor956]

Not sure I understand your confusion. If you don't receive the forked coins (situation 1) you don't have income. It doesn't matter why you didn't get any of the forked coins.

[nullc]

I was reading the top of page 5 as "the user doesn't have any crypto N after the hardfork". I understand your reading now.