[djsumdog]

It seems like the sane thing to do is to scrape all these 737-MAX planes currently grounded. They should have all their parts recycled/reused into a completely new airplane and the 737 should be retired.

Of course that's not going to happen. There is simply way too much money involved and way too many interests to allow Boeing to take that kind of hit.

It seems like the airline industry is surviving without this substantial number of planes in their fleet. Have prices surged for the old 737-MAX routes? Have companies taken out more debt to put in orders for Airbus and Bombardier replacements, or are they confident the existing stock will return this year?

The 737 did survive their rudder issue several decades ago. Maybe this new generation of 737 will survive this? I'm sure there are a number of people who will avoid booking flights on these jets if they can though, at least for several months or a year.

[selectodude]

The airline industry wanted another 737 far more than Boeing wanted to make one. Retiring the 737 puts Southwest and Ryanair’s business model at risk. It’s far more than Boeing at fault here, and airlines are keeping their mouths shut because they’re more than happy to let Boeing take the heat for this.

[lowdose]

I thought Ford already came up with a car instead of the horse his customers asked for.

[tempguy9999]

> It’s far more than Boeing at fault here,

at the risk of being obtuse, why, and who?

[ethbro]

Parent just said.

Why do you think this was a best-selling plane for Boeing? Who's buying it, and why?

The answers to that question and yours are the same: airlines want to decrease operational costs, of which pilot training and specialization is a huge component.

[tempguy9999]

You're blaming those airlines because they wanted to buy boeing's product? Let me rewite that as it comes across...

tempguy9999 happens to fancy a bottle of spirits right now, it is the weekend after all.

tempguy9999 pops down the road to the local offy (short for off-license, brit-english for place that sells booze), and being skint at the moment, I ask for the cheapest thing that will get me sloshed.

Sales bod suggests x. I buy x. I drink x and go to hospital because x contains a big dollop of methanol.

I went to (what I honestly thought was) a reliable supplier that's sold me loads before with perfect satisfaction, and got something dangerous. I did not know it was dangerous, nor was I told it was dangerous. Also, that supplier had a world-class reputation.

I don't accept it's Southwest/Ryanair's fault at all.

[selectodude]

It’s as if you demand a bottle of something exactly like, but not quite exactly methanol and end up with methanol. Southwest demanded a 737 that met criteria the airframe absolutely could not accomplish. It’s Boeing’s fault for building it but it’s Southwest’s fault for buying the impossible.

[tempguy9999]

> It’s Boeing’s fault for building it but it’s Southwest’s fault for buying the impossible.

respectively yes, and, can you show me what southwest actually asked for that was so extreme?

edit: actually, I'm not sure. If mcas had worked correctly (including being documented) then 2 planeloads of people might not have been dead, but AIUI it fought the pilots and sadly won.