[32qwef]

> With 3rd wave feminism calling for the mistreatment of men

Nobody calls for mistreating men. Well maybe Valerie Salonas. Can you really not distinguish between mainstream feminism and violent wackjobs?

> schools trying to teach boys their gender is the cause of all the world's ills

No they're not.

> general diva nature washing over women on social media

This just sounds like a "women are emotional" argument, which isn't helpful. There's plenty examples of men being outrageous on the internet. (Your comment is one of them)

> Essentially you could see a male "makers" community around not involving women.

You act like this is an original insight. You're just parroting what some incels are saying.

You really don't wanna be involved with that group. Please understand when you're talking with them, you're inside a bubble where bile and hate is normalized.

[spruciefic399]

Just want to point out that the idea that males are being persecuted for their gender isn't necessarily a fringe incel position.

For example, Doris Lessing--yes, that Doris Lessing--is expressing concerns about treatment of men:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/14/edinburghfestival...

This is a complicated issue, and I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but by the same token I think it's important to not understate or dismiss certain concerns or problems. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

[32qwef]

In the linked article, Doris Lessing recounts an anecdote where a teacher said something offensive about men. That teacher was clearly wrong. It also does not demonstrate that "schools trying to teach boys their gender is the cause of all the world's ills." I am aware of no curriculum in the US or the UK where it's ok to teach that men are inherently violent. Hence, I said "no it's not." It's not a widespread problem, as far as I can tell.

We all agree the idea that men can be harmed by our society isn't a fringe position.

But the idea that men need to separate from women, and replace them with sex bots or genetic engineering...that's absolutely fringe incel stuff. That's what the above commenter is touching on. I'm sure you would agree we should not encourage this.

[neonate]

Lessing spoke about this much more frequently than in a single anecdote. It was a major issue for her late in life.

[dhimes]

Also Wendy Walsh- yes that Wendy Walsh

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/05/metoo-please-...

[virmundi]

1) Manspreading and mansplaining are two light examples of calling for male harm. Add to this many of the SJW's call for safe space where white males are banded.

2) There is the war against boys. The whole thing comes down to maleness is bad: energy, competition, etc. I wish I could find the quote by the british author who sat in on a class where the boys were. https://hellogiggles.com/news/teachers-treat-boys-and-girls-...

3) Actually I'm worried about incels and the lost generation and all that. I said I was thinking about. I'm married. My wife and I sit on the sidelines hoping the whole system doesn't crash. The difference between a 1960's MGTOW and now is that these men could buy land and establish a private genetics homeland. There goes your social cohesion.

[32qwef]

> Manspreading and mansplaining are two light examples of calling for male harm.

Asking someone not to take up extra room on the subway is not harm. It's basic courtesy. And in reality, few people actually gripe about manspreading all day. It just seems that way with social media.

Mansplaining is the same. Outside of tumblr, I don't hear it that often. And all it means is "don't be pedantic or condescending." that's just common courtesy. Both men and women can be pedantic and condescending. This is just pointing out that men often talk town to women, and there's a dimension of discrimination that often accompanies this.

> The whole thing comes down to maleness is bad: energy, competition,

There is a problem with education generally, and boys can have a tough time, I agree. But feminists aren't causing this problem. On the contrary, most feminists I know agree that the education system hurts boys and girls in different ways. Nobody thinks having children sitting still all day and listening to lectures is a good way to learn. It's just that girls mature faster, so they can do this more easily at a young age.

I'd also be careful with associating "maleness" with energy and competition. Young girls are energetic and competitive too.

> Actually I'm worried about incels and the lost generation and all that.

Me too! I'm worried that children are not being allowed to fail by overbearing parents, and become susceptible to mental issues. I'm worried that social media, video games, and online streaming are keeping kids inside all day, when they could be hanging out with eachother. I'm worried we've built an economy where poor and working class children have no chance to get ahead. I'm worried that young boys are learning bad lessons about what it means to be a man, and turn to the manosphere for advice.

But I'm not worried at all about feminism.

[tofof]

2) You're looking for Doris Lessing's "at the cost of men" anecdote: https://imgur.com/gallery/BypVRmk

[slothtrop]

How do those "call for male harm"?

[vibrato]

If you want to persuade, try some citations. You’re just parroting what some feminists are saying.

[32qwef]

The burden of proof is on the person making positive claims (schools teach that men are bad, women on social media are becoming divas)