[spruciefic399]

Just want to point out that the idea that males are being persecuted for their gender isn't necessarily a fringe incel position.

For example, Doris Lessing--yes, that Doris Lessing--is expressing concerns about treatment of men:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/14/edinburghfestival...

This is a complicated issue, and I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but by the same token I think it's important to not understate or dismiss certain concerns or problems. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.

[32qwef]

In the linked article, Doris Lessing recounts an anecdote where a teacher said something offensive about men. That teacher was clearly wrong. It also does not demonstrate that "schools trying to teach boys their gender is the cause of all the world's ills." I am aware of no curriculum in the US or the UK where it's ok to teach that men are inherently violent. Hence, I said "no it's not." It's not a widespread problem, as far as I can tell.

We all agree the idea that men can be harmed by our society isn't a fringe position.

But the idea that men need to separate from women, and replace them with sex bots or genetic engineering...that's absolutely fringe incel stuff. That's what the above commenter is touching on. I'm sure you would agree we should not encourage this.

[neonate]

Lessing spoke about this much more frequently than in a single anecdote. It was a major issue for her late in life.

[dhimes]

Also Wendy Walsh- yes that Wendy Walsh

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2018/07/05/metoo-please-...