[dogdutyascetic]

The connection to the consumption of animal products to diabetes is rarely the focus but we know there is a big connection. Consider Kempner's Rice Diet which used sugar to successfully treat diabetes! So I doubt sugar is a sufficient condition. This is politics not science.

[echelon]

What!?

Do you have a background in biochemistry, medicinal chemistry, or a related field, or perhaps some evidence to back this up? Forgive my skepticism, but this is so far off topic and, frankly, sounds like a homeopathy / "conspiracy theory" subject.

Diabetes is a complex disease, but I don't think you underplay the preponderance of evidence implicating the role of sugar. (It is, after all, one of the principle elements of the insulin pathway.)

[oldmanjay]

I've never heard of a connection between consuming animal products and diabetes. Perhaps you can expand on this.

[kefka]

I recognize the text pattern from before. Pretty sure I've dealt with this user before, on articles about Diabetes.

In the end, it's a whole lot of breathlessness about veganism will "fix diabetes". Of course, no citations, or cited articles that are completely 180deg out of phase.

I know what worked for me, was a form of Atkins diet (extremely low carbohydrate diet) backed up with my glucometer. I plot trends of foods, and how they respond to me. My limit is 140mG/dL, where we know neurons in agar petri dish die.

Yes, my diet consists of a lot more meats, veggies, cheese, some nuts, some 'dryer' fruits. But no bread, rice, sugar, or things that cause my body to rise.

[kefka]

@ mchmch (dead response)

> The Cause of Insulin Resistance What’s gumming up the door locks on our muscle cells, preventing insulin from letting glucose in? It’s fat. Intramyocellular lipids, or the fat inside our muscle cells.

Yeah. There's something going on with fat. Majorly. I agree with that. And also, whatever it was that was making me crave carbohydrates also made me gain weight like crazy. And you know, when I went on a carb-free (<15g net carb) diet, my weight at the fastest was dropping by .54 lb/day . Yes. A day.

I've also seen research, and talked with researchers who've also discovered that losing as little as 1g of fat on the pancreas can alleviate all symptoms of T2 diabetes. The problem, is there's no known way to target inter-organ fat.

> Fat in the bloodstream can build up inside the muscle cell and create toxic fatty breakdown products and free radicals that can block the insulin signaling process. When that happens, no matter how much insulin we have in our blood, it won’t be able to open the glucose gates. That causes blood sugar levels to build up in the blood.

Then why does doing a low/no carb diet cause us T2 diabetics along with prediabetics to lose weight on a massive scale? It seems to me that there's something wrong with the metabolics/genetics that do something funky to carbohydrates. Something like

Carbohydrates -> sugar -> fat -> stored

And it seems to short circuit what should normally just work.

Source: The article linked in my previous comment. Yes there are sources cited.

[dr_win]

I also have been on keto for past 1.5 years. For last 6 months I have been measuring ketone and glucose levels with blood meter every evening (whenever possible). I have a journal of my diet, exercise and other health-related activities.

Still have to analyse/normalize my data, didn't find time yet to build tools for it. Here is just a quick graph where I dumped the numbers into a google spreadsheet:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/559047/keto-readings-01....

High glucose implies lower ketones in my case (the correlation is pretty obvious from the plot above). My explanation is that when I get higher glucose in blood, my pancreas increases insulin level and that in turn not only drives glucose down, but also ketones (somehow).

I could be considered a healthy, relative active individual 37yrs, 182cm, 78kg, ~15% BF.

Why I'm posting this here? Eventually I would like to build a tool with a protocol to follow for people who want to follow similar diet and compare their results. I believe this crowd-sourced data could potentially be also an interesting data-set for researchers.

Any hackers interested in building something similar?

[debacle]

What fruits do you allow yourself to eat? I've cut out fruits entirely and miss them greatly.

[kefka]

My experience is, I can still have: blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, strawberries (well, some), a little bit of apple (we're talking about splitting a tart apple half with wife), and some grapes.

It's not 100% true, but the more tart, the better in terms of sugars. More fiber also helps slow down absorption... But 10g fructose = 10g fructose, no matter what else you put with it.

EDIT: I figured these out the hard way. Go get a cheap glucometer. ReliOn brand is good at Wal-Mart. $25 meter, 9$/50 strips. And eat foods you like. Test before you eat, and 1/2 hour increments afterwards for 2 hours. Wash-rinse-repeat :) Make your own decisions based on your own health data.

[JBReefer]

How many carbs a day do you stick to?

[kefka]

Total carbs, I'm not entirely sure. My body reacts to Net Carbs, which is (Total - Fiber). As for net carbs, I eat anywhere from 5-15g

Some diabetics cannot subtract fiber, because they respond to the whole load via their glucometer. Fortunately, I'm not one of them.

[cableshaft]

Ah, you're pretty strictly keto then. I try to follow keto and have had good success with it, but after a month of strict 20 grams of carbs or less, I've relaxed it a bit and I often creep up to 30 or 40 net grams of carbs a day.

Still feeling great and losing weight, although perhaps I'd lose a bit faster if I remained stricter about it. I'm also not diabetic, although my A1C numbers were getting close to prediabetes levels before I started the diet. I expect that to drop the next time I get my blood checked, though.

[kefka]

I'm 6'5", at time of type 2 diagnosis, I was 320 lbs, 44" waistline, a1c=7.1, fasting glucose=161 mG/dL . That was last December. They caught it in time before I really had many symptoms, although I was starting to get erectile dysfunction (one of the first things to cause problems, BTW).

Fast forward to now. 260 lbs, waver between 36" and 38" waistline, and feel better than I have in decades.

My only problem is my stomach is a perfect sensor for "Hidden Carbs". I'll get wonderful things like stomach pains and bad indigestion over things like flour in gravies or sauces, or hidden corn starch, or sugar sprayed on salads.

Now, Metformin. I have a prescription for it. I don't need to take it, UNLESS I'm eating somewhere I cannot control my carb load, let alone know what my carb load is. Holidays are notorious about this, as are buffets and similar places. My solution is, I take metformin before I go to sleep the day before, through the whole day of, and 1 pill the morning after. It effectively is a form of a PID control loop for glucose.... which is what I need.

[tremon]

Given the GP's user name, I suspect that not many share a love for ingesting that kind of "animal product".

[venomsnake]

Easy to test. Get 80% of your calories from fructose syrup. The rest from plant food. Feel free to report in a year.

[debacle]

> Get 80% of your calories from fructose syrup.

Pretty sure you would die in less than 38 hours.

[venomsnake]

You won't. But you may as well wish to ...