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by buro9 3729 days ago
Then Amazon is going to have to become much much better.

I live in London, UK and do not use Prime. I've almost stopped using Amazon altogether now.

Why?

1. Delivery - For our flat, their network either fails to deliver, mis-delivers or screws up in some other way far more than they succeed. There is no option to choose the one postal service that shines for my property: Royal Mail. Anything I order from Amazon may turn up eventually, but certainly isn't going to arrive whenever they claim. This is my #1 reason for abandoning Amazon.

2. Range and choice - Either you can't find what you want (the range within cycling for example is extremely limited) and have to look elsewhere, or you're swamped with marketplace sellers and what feels like a million grey goods. The Google engineer's "Which USB type-C cables are good" illustrates the sheer number of items that are of shoddy quality but are represented on the site as being of quality. There is simply, too much crap and not enough quality.

3. Price - I simply don't find Amazon the cheapest at almost anything. On their site it looks cheaper, always discounted, but if you take the manufacturers' SKU and Google it one quickly finds a whole load of places selling it for the same price or cheaper, also with free postage, or cheaper to the point that postage is irrelevant.

4. Bundling - Amazon Prime Video really isn't as good as Netflix, Amazon Prime Now isn't beating Shutl for me in London https://shutl.com/uk/, free postage hasn't been compelling (point #3)... but somehow bundling all of these things together into an ~£80 per year subscription is supposed to make a range of sub-par offerings value for money?

5. Warranty - I've purchased things on Amazon Prime, thinking they were covered by Amazon's customer service, only to discover that the obscure market place seller is really the seller and so my warranty complaints go back to them. They've been overseas and uninterested, and I've had to simply write-off the value of those items. If I buy elsewhere I can factor this in a lot more and choose a reputable seller. Depending on the item, i.e. I recently purchased a 40" 4K Sony TV, then I really want to be sure these high value items are going to be covered by a company that delivers great customer service... John Lewis in my case. There needs to be a Public Service Announcement in the photography section for the sheer number of lens that wouldn't be covered by warranty.

I actually view Prime as nothing more than a hook, to keep shoppers too lazy to look around under a spell of "this is a bargain, you're receiving great value".

In reality what Amazon once was is a long way from what they now are and Prime is a mask for that.

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6. Marketplace sellers lying about the origin of delivery. Says ships from Germany, so should arrive in few days but arrives a month later from China.

7. I use a redelivery service for goods from German Amazon (because delivery to German address is often free but out of Germany very expensive). Amazon displays items to be delivered as one shipment before placing an order.

Right after ordering it displays that the items would be shipped in 4 separate shipments making the price of the delivery 4 times more expensive for me.

I actually emailed Amazon asking for other couriers to be an option as I hate everything about royal mail. They "lose" loads of mail, they lie by posting "you weren't in" cards when I'm working from home all day specifically to receive a parcel and if you want to pick up a failed delivery you have to travel at inconvenient times to a hard to get to location. This was around the time Amazon dropped them for certain categories of delivery; I doubt I had much, if any, impact on their decision but it felt good. When I've used other companies I've literally been able to follow the van on a map on real time, and my heart always sinks when having ordered an item and clicked on the tracking button I see "tracking isn't available on this item" as it means royal mail will be involved. They only survive because of being a state monopoly which also benefits from junk mail which they require to stay a viable business.
Have you ever contacted Amazon about the delivery firms that you've had issues with? I contacted them on 3 separate occasions about CityLink - they refused to leave parcels either in my porch or with a neighbour and their nearest collection depot was at that time 3 bus journeys away in a different county.

After the third one, I said I would be cancelling my Prime if they ever delivered (or rather didn't deliver) again. I don't know if was coincidence or not, but I don't think I've had an attempted delivery from them since.

Yes, I have.

It has not resulted in any change. They prefer their own drivers, and these are what we have issues with.

We live in a high-rise, one of several, and have a concierge from 8am through to midnight. Even so, the items are seldom left with the concierge, and frequently we get "attempted delivery" when the concierge is on-duty and open or whilst we are in (no delivery attempt is made at all).

Sometimes the driver gets to our door and leaves the item without knocking. We discover the item the next morning as we head out to work. Which explains why so many items don't get through as next door to us is a drug dealer with a lot of their customers coming and going at all hours.

All we want to achieve is: put it through the letterbox or leave it with the concierge. Neither seems to be possible.

No amount of complaining to Amazon has resolved it, but shopping elsewhere means the Amazon delivery network isn't used and every item then ends up through the letterbox or with the concierge.

I can graph my non-digital orders for the last few years, I've gone from 5-10 orders per month 2 years ago, down to 1 order every 3 months last year.

The only thing I still order from Amazon are Kindle books, for everything else, I now look elsewhere first.

Delivery has gotten really bad. When they used DPD it was great, but really nothing to do with Amazon, DPD are just far and away the best UK courier.

Recently around me they switched to "Amazon logistics" which to me is code for "a man in a van we hired". All in all quality of delivery has dropped; I've got about a year of free prime because one delivery driver, delivering to an obvious business address, couldn't wrap his head around "work hours" and kept turning up at 7pm.

I tried that with LaserShip.

LaserShip still gets my Amazon packages. After the last one, even with their "here have a refund" (after digging around trying to find a help/support contact on Amazon's page for 20 minutes), I stopped ordering off of Amazon completely. I've spent at least $20,000 on their site in the last 5 years.

LaserShip is universally reviled and has the worst complaints in the entire logistics industry. Amazon does not care. Amazon just cares who and where the lowest bidder is, and for small packages in Midtown Manhattan, LaserShip is it. If you don't live in a doorman building, you are fucked.

Agree with everything you said. I will add DPD in addition to Royal Mail - first, you can track the delivery van on a map, in real time. Second, you can text DPD in-flight and ask them to deliver to a local pick-up location instead of your home address. And most of all yes, shopping online with John Lewis is amazing. Their products are quality, and their service is awesome. Amazon, in comparison, is a £ shop.
I tried to by the Dragon Book as an eBook. I managed to purchase it, paid good money and it was revoked as I wasn't a U.S. citizen. I was never refunded.

I grabbed a copy from... elsewhere... and then never shopped at Amazon again.

Also in the UK and typically I find I get most items delivered in 2 days even though I always go with the free standard delivery.
> 1. Delivery - For our flat, their network either fails to deliver, mis-delivers or screws up in some other way far more than they succeed. There is no option to choose the one postal service that shines for my property: Royal Mail. Anything I order from Amazon may turn up eventually, but certainly isn't going to arrive whenever they claim. This is my #1 reason for abandoning Amazon.

Very few online stores give you a choice of delivery service. For me Royal Mail are the absolute worst (DPD are ideal, others are close), but it seems to vary by area. I find Amazon gives you a lot more choice than any of their competitors (they integrate with four or more different "collect a parcel from here" services, in London you can almost always find a pickup location very close to wherever you are). I mean if you live somewhere where Royal Mail are better than XYZ then a Royal Mail-only store is better for you than Amazon, but I don't think anyone's better in general. (Also in London you have Prime Now as an option).

> Either you can't find what you want (the range within cycling for example is extremely limited) and have to look elsewhere

Oh? A week ago I was looking for some specific bike accessories (to go with a specialized bike that I'd bought from the one shop in London (perhaps even in Britain), but even they didn't have the accessories for it); on ebay they were badly described and the range wasn't good. Amazon had what I needed. Maybe a specialized online bike store would have an even better range, but I don't want to have to figure out and trust a new store for every product category I might want to buy; I want a generalist, and Amazon is good at that.

> 4. Bundling - Amazon Prime Video really isn't as good as Netflix, Amazon Prime Now isn't beating Shutl for me in London https://shutl.com/uk/, free postage hasn't been compelling (point #3)... but somehow bundling all of these things together into an ~£80 per year subscription is supposed to make a range of sub-par offerings value for money?

Doesn't it? Their video isn't as good as Netflix, their music isn't as good as Spotify, I'll take your word for it that Shutl is better - but a year's subscription to Netflix and Spotify and Shutl and ... would cost a fair bit more than GPB80, the Amazon options are good enough a lot of the time, and having it all integrated in one place is valuable.

> I've purchased things on Amazon Prime, thinking they were covered by Amazon's customer service, only to discover that the obscure market place seller is really the seller and so my warranty complaints go back to them.

I would agree that the UI isn't as obvious as it might be, but it's still pretty easy to see who the seller is

> They've been overseas and uninterested, and I've had to simply write-off the value of those items.

What? No. If they're not honouring their warranty, do a credit card chargeback.

> Very few online stores give you a choice of delivery service.

The ones I'm now using all do.

The different options of exigency are usually different providers, which is very convenient.

> Oh?

As a quick experiment I built a bike from components and accessories last year and couldn't find any of the items I wanted on Amazon, but have just tried again.

No Rohloff hub, Enve rims, Gilles Berthoud mudguards, Schmidt dynamo hub, etc.

Only the brake pads for Hope brakes, not the brakes themselves.

The only bits of an entire bike that I managed to find was the Carradice bag and the Fizik saffle. No other part was on Amazon.

> Amazon options are good enough a lot of the time

They're only "good enough" if having them means that you do not have the Netflix, Spotify and other things in place. A quick survey of the people sat around me with Prime is that every one still has those subscriptions elsewhere.

It's not a saving if it's in addition to other costs.

> If they're not honouring their warranty, do a credit card chargeback.

A warranty period is measured in years, a chargeback period is measured in days... 60 days is usually the upper limit.

> The ones I'm now using all do.

Such as? What's the Amazon-like where I can buy a big range?

> The different options of exigency are usually different providers, which is very convenient.

That's true on Amazon too

> They're only "good enough" if having them means that you do not have the Netflix, Spotify and other things in place. A quick survey of the people sat around me with Prime is that every one still has those subscriptions elsewhere.

Hmm, weird. I don't know why you'd get Prime in that case - I guess they find the next day delivery worth the GBP80 on its own?