[joslin01]

Just as much as I doubt checking me out in a check-out line is anyone's idea of "passion", but it's still rude and unprofessional to not show me courtesy. You don't get a moral blank-check just because you don't like your job.

[toomuchtodo]

> You don't get a moral blank-check just because you don't like your job.

Whether someone can "feel" your passion about a job isn't about morality. I can do my job well, even if I feel its the equivalent of shoveling horse shit, and have zero passion for it. Whether someone is doing their job well is never a moral question. If someone didn't do the job you agreed to, its contractual; don't pay or pay a reduced rate based on the agreement and move on.

[enraged_camel]

You're interpreting it too literally. "Passion" in this case simply means "actually gives a fuck and tries to do a good job" as opposed to "doing the bare minimum."

So yeah, you don't have to have passion for your job, or even like it, but if you're not going to try to do it well, just quit and let someone else take over.

[toomuchtodo]

> So yeah, you don't have to have passion for your job, or even like it, but if you're not going to try to do it well, just quit and let someone else take over.

I don't disagree, but I'm in the privileged position of being an in-demand tech professional who could have another job the same day I quit my current one.

The inherent problem with the "sharing economy" is that its built on using people (primary) who are economically disadvantaged who need the job (I concede that someone people who drive for Uber don't require the job, but do it do to the flexible schedule or extra income it provides). Its hard to always do a shitty job well, constantly.

[s73v3r]

I don't think so. Remember, this is the same crowd who constantly is bombarded with recruiter spam seeking people who are "passionate" about development.

[joslin01]

To expand on what you said below, imagine someone hires you to code up a simple API. You get started, but then decide you just don't like your job so you write 50% tests and hand it back to the client. Let's say the 50% of other tests weren't needed because your code actually ran perfect. "Here" you coldly tell him and walk off. Was it fair that you did a poor job for the client because you didn't like the work? Did you not technically complete the job, but in a shoddy, unprofessional fashion?

This is the equivalent of a cleaner -> programmer acting "immorally" (true morality is nevertheless found outside the realm of work).

[toomuchtodo]

> Did you not technically complete the job, but in a shoddy, unprofessional fashion?

I don't see how that's immoral. You either completed a job to spec or you didn't. API works but you didn't complete the tests? You didn't do what you were paid for. No morality comes into play.

[joslin01]

haha ok. Now what about comments in the source code? Should that be specified too? What about SRP inside the code-base? Should that be specified? Come on, we all know when we're pissing off and doing our best. I'm not say we need to do an absolutely amazing job for every person that gives us money, but me personally, I like to think of myself as professionally upstanding because I want to make my employer's dollars count by doing the best I can.

[toomuchtodo]

> I'm not say we need to do an absolutely amazing job for every person that gives us money, but me personally, I like to think of myself as professionally upstanding because I want to make my employer's dollars count by doing the best I can.

Maybe its because I've been doing this for 14 years, but I produce to the spec. Of course, I'll make recommendations during the scoping process, but what I produce matches what I've agreed to with a client or employer; no more, no less. My time is far too valuable to me to provide anything additional than to what I've committed to. If you want to give your time away for free because you think you professionally upstanding, more power to you.

[geofft]

Courtesy and passion are different things. Let's not devalue the word.

[joslin01]

You're mistakenly drawing a parallel between the two words. I am saying a cashier that is not passionate about their job is not _entitled_ to be uncourteous and therefore act unprofessionally.

[geofft]

I'm agreeing with that. I am totally fine with cashiers who are clearly dispassionate about their job and act professionally. I can see "the lack of passion," but it doesn't impact their professionalism.

In particular, I'm worried about judging people to be unprofessional simply because they are dispassionate. They are separable.

[joslin01]

> In particular, I'm worried about judging people to be unprofessional simply because they are dispassionate. They are separable.

I agree with you. You can be dispassionate, but hold onto professionalism. That's actually the whole point I'm making by saying even if you are dispassionate, you should still act professionally.