[sergiotapia]

Please don't misrepresent what happened. A lot of people, myself included, left Reddit because I don't agree with the way the CEO is handling things. My leaving Reddit had nothing to do with fatpeoplehate being banned. I just don't agree with shadowbanning people and removing -distasteful- subreddits. I just don't visit them.

Reddit has become a marketing tool either way, so I that was just another drop in the bucket for me and I left.

[fragsworth]

They should have handled the /r/fatpeoplehate problem by hiding them from /r/all. Then nobody will see the subreddit unless they directly go to it and/or subscribe to it.

What they actually did reeks of incompetence. The reaction they got from banning the subreddit was entirely predictable, and because of this, gives the impression that they're pretty far disconnected from their users. It doesn't bode well for the long-term success of the site.

[lingben]

Totally agree. Whoever made that decision proved that they are absolutely not the right person or persons to be at the helm of reddit.

Not only that, apart from the decision, the way that it was implemented was so tone-deaf and juvenile that it went beyond mere incompetence.

For example, take a look at the announcement where they tried to outline the rationale for the decision and their methods. When they were bombarded with polite and sharp questions about their hypocrisy they avoided any response.

[sanswork]

The thing is the people that are upset and claiming this is the end of reddit are actually the ones that are disconnected from what most users want as evidenced by the fact that almost no one but a small vocal minority in a few places on reddit care anymore and when they try to get support in more popular/general focus subreddits they are almost unanimously being downvoted or disagreed with.

[fragsworth]

> no one but a small vocal minority in a few places on reddit

Here is a front-page /r/news post about Ellen Pao: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3a85no/ellen_pao_must...

Read the comments. This is not a "small vocal minority". It's pretty much the entire fucking user base.

[sanswork]

A vocal minority doesn't become a majority because they flood a thread about their current hate target.

[wvenable]

I think you vastly misunderstand the size of reddit's userbase. Furthermore, it's been my experience that a small vocal minority produce significantly more content than the average user. And the single largest group of people with enough time to post all the time are children.

[bluecalm]

Most users don't care about most subreddits. That's the way any big forum with many sub-forums work. It's true that you get downvoted on Reddit for posting anything even mildly politically incorrect which is another problem with it - it's not a place to have any sensible political/worldview discussion anymore.

[DanBC]

> It's true that you get downvoted on Reddit for posting anything even mildly politically incorrect

That's untrue and I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

The whole point of SRS is to highlight "politically incorrect" posts that have many upvotes and few downvotes.

[DanBC]

> They should have handled the /r/fatpeoplehate problem by hiding them from /r/all. Then nobody will see the subreddit unless they directly go to it and/or subscribe to it.

FPH brigades. FPH brigades other subreddits, and also other forums.

[s73v3r]

What about the brigading going on? If they had simply stayed in their little corner, no one would have cared. But they didn't.

[m3rc]

Your personal reasons for not using reddit don't have any impact on the fact that most of the people switching over were either from the /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/kotakuinaction, and /r/conspiracy crowd. You can have whatever personal BS with the CEO you want, but the fact is that voat's ex-reddit userbase is all from what is essentially the worst parts of reddit.

[fragsworth]

You should not lump /r/kotakuinaction and /r/conspiracy in the same category as /r/fatpeoplehate. They aren't even mildly offensive - the only relationship here is that they tend to be zealous about freedom of speech, and therefore angry about the removal of /r/fatpeoplehate.

I would classify them strongly as "political speech", which /r/fatpeoplehate was not.

[Torgo]

/r/conspiracy was harassing a daycare in Utah. I don't like to use that term lightly but yes, actual harassing. As in, the subreddit was obsessed with it because it had some records online that made them think it was secretly running some kind of malicious operation. people were going there and surrepititiously scouting the place and sending back photos and talking to neighbors. Admins were deleting posts, which is why it turned into a "free speech" issue for them and a bunch went to voat.

[bduerst]

The difference between those subreddits and the ones banned where:

1) Magnitudes more users -and-

2) Mods were actively promoting harassment of individuals

Reddit admins had to step in because people were being bullied and receiving violent threats, in part due to actions taken by Mods of these large communities built on prejudice and harassment.

[MCRed]

They are in the same category as far as SJWs are concerned because the are not "politically correct", or put simply they are not taking a knee and kissing the ring as SJWs demand.

This is why they have no problem simply telling lies about these subreddits (as they are lying about FPH). The entire point of KotakuInAction and GamerGate is to point out how dishonest this movement is... and what is the response? They lie about them!

Expecting dishonest people to respond with anything but more lies is a silly expectation.

The morally repugnant SJW movement is, at its core, a political movement. They succeeded in turning /r/politics into a monoculture around a single thought and the entire purpose of /r/SRS and all their activism on tumblr is to shame and harass anyone who thinks differently into submission.

[vezzy-fnord]

You clearly haven't dived in too deep if you think /r/conspiracy is even close to among "essentially the worst".

[Someone1234]

They aren't the worst. They do say some pretty anti-semitic things at times however from what I've seen (some of them think the world is controlled by a Jewish conspiracy or some such).

[kinghajj]

/r/conspiracy has quite a diverse set of 'characters', the anti-semitic ones are merely one of the loudest. There's also the various 9/11-truthers, the flat earthers, UFOlogers, Christian/spiritual scientists, pro-gun/anti-federal government types, etc. It can be a pretty fun place to check out, actually, if you enter it with the right frame of mind.

[jchung]

Could you please cite the source on this? I've heard this asserted, but haven't seen the data yet. Would love to understand the dynamic that took place. Specifically, the data supporting the words "most" and "all" in your comment.

[logicalmind]

This isn't data, but this post and the comments are one point of reference. This in on the frontpage btw.

https://voat.co/v/news/comments/147052

[cocojumbo123]

thanks for sharing!

[lawl]

Care to back that up with numbers?

I switched and don't frequent any of those.

Seems like you have personal beef with voat? Just stop spreading misinformation, or back it up with numbers please.

[Someone1234]

> I just don't agree with shadowbanning people and removing -distasteful- subreddits. I just don't visit them.

Please don't misrepresent what happened.

FPH has been bullying, harassing, and abusing individuals for almost a year. Pictures of people out in public, Facebook profiles, other Redditors, the Imgur staff, brigading other subs (inc. weight loss subs), attacking popular bloggers, YouTubers, and people on Twitter. Often this was just for the "crime" of being overweight and the abuse was nasty.

I'm tired of people defending this behaviour as being "distasteful" or "offensive." Even the title of Reddit's announcement was "removing HARASSING subreddits." And if you don't believe that's what FPH was doing then you literally didn't spend even one minute on it.

Key Reddit staff quotes:

> subreddit as a platform to harass individuals

> We’re banning behavior, not ideas.

> based on their harassment of individuals

> When we are using the word "harass", we're not talking about "being annoying" or vote manipulation or anything. We're talking about men and women whose lives are being affected and worry for their safety every day, because people from a certain community on reddit have decided to actually threaten them, online and off, every day. When you've had to talk to as many victims of it as we have, you'd understand that a brigade from one subreddit to another is miles away from the harassment we don't want being generated on our site.

If this is what you support, please leave Reddit. I welcome you gone.

[300bps]

FPH has been bullying, harassing, and abusing individuals for almost a year

Yes, and /r/shitredditsays has been bullying, harassing and abusing individuals for several years. But that subreddit is allowed to exist because Ellen Pao (reddit CEO) and admins agree with their politics.

Any other subreddit is deathly afraid to directly link to other comments on the site because they don't want to be accused of "brigading" votes which is against the rules and will get the subreddit banned. /r/shitredditsays links directly and openly vote brigades dozens of times per day. Again, because their political speech is favored.

[Vik1ng]

> Pictures of people out in public, Facebook profiles

But Reddit mostly does not give a shit about posting pictures of people without their consent. Even on bis subs like /r/pics or /r/funny you will see pictures of people in public, which obviously did not consent to have their images posted there. So that's a pretty big double standard to accuse FPH of that while completely ignoring it on default subs.

And /r/videos time after time results in people harassing and brigarding youtubers.

[FLUX-YOU]

If they wanted to ban behavior, they should have banned the individuals from reddit site-wide. But that would have been hard, so instead, they go after the common banner that causes the behavior.

That IS banning an idea. They have essentially said "We're banning FPH for harassment, but if you participated in that harassment, feel free to browse our other subreddits."

[bluecalm]

>>We're talking about men and women whose lives are being affected and worry for their safety every day

I was reading /r/FPH on regular basis for few weeks before it was closed as I've found it entertaining even if distasteful. I think you have very skewed view of what it was:

-posting identifying personal info was forbidden/removed by the mods

-linking to other parts of Reddit was a no-no

-I can't remember seeing anything threatening on it there was no discussion about threats or doing bad things to specific people; just over the top venting

That is unless you understand "safety" as it is too often interpreted today: hearing not politically correct opinions. If you think the decision has anything to do with removing harassing subreddit try visiting /r/coontown and think why it's still online.