| > His marriage to her was never based on a contract How many times do I need to point out references to the "agreement" in the text that is constantly talked about ? > it is sufficient to know that she had already been engaged to another person prior to her marriage to the Prophet Do you like to tell yourself that that justifies the rape of a 6 year old ? Do you have a daughter ? Do you think an agreement with the girl's father makes paedophilic rape moral ? Because your religion clearly is of that opinion. Note that your prophet has a lot of opinions on what he, personally, should be given, and something to fuck is often among the things he "gets" from his invisible friend, this is not a lone occurence. So answer this simple question : was Muhammad an immoral paedophilic rapist ? Or not ... And to be honest, since Abu Bakr is a "rightly guided caliph" and made this agreement with the prophet, that means that BOTH the prophet AND the first ever muslim where paedophilic rapists. One organising the rape, one committing it. Muhammad, of course, claims this agreement was blessed by allah : so you can't even make the pathetic argument that it was just him, "not allah". Note that not even Aisha believed the revelations [1]. To be honest, actually reading the hadith you find a lot of that : verses that make it crystal clear none of the muslims with the prophet believed in his revelations. You should try it, reading those texts around book 60. > I fail to see where it says that the death penalty is involved here. Please point out explicitly where it says that the penalty for living in a non-Muslim country is death. The penalty for consistently refusing to comply with sharia, when you know the law and how it applies to you, is death. As you very well know. Believe it or not, you do not just get to violate sharia whenever you want according to islam. The punishment for violating something haram knowingly, repeatedly or continuously ... is death, because this constitutes apostasy. I can't say I recall the full set of requirements, but do you seriously argue otherwise ? Knowingly not following sharia is considered apostasy, advocating not following sharia is proselytizing. Do you disagree with that ? Do I really have to dig up fatwas saying so ? > We point out these bad things, and we do not follow their footsteps. Reading this in a post that starts off by justifying the rape of a 6 year old girl, that is very reassuring. [1] http://www.sultan.org/books/bukhari/060.htm#006.060.248 |
You haven't pointed out any references so far.
> Do you like to tell yourself that that justifies...
You should hear what today's scholars say about this issue. Marriage is not to be forced upon the girl, and if a person (male or female) is not able to tolerate it (physically and mentally), then the marriage contract cannot go through.
Back in the day, marriage at a young age was a norm, and the Prophet Peace be upon him did not commit anything foreign to the culture in this regards. Other people at that time, Muslims and non-Muslims, married young. Even in Western cultures up to a few hundred years ago, we see similar behavior.
I take it it is clear now that Islamically, the ruler is to be elected, and not passed down as you were trying to imply before.
> Note that not even Aisha believed the revelations[1]
The link you pasted was about Fatimah and Ali, Peace be upon them. Please link to the appropriate Hadith.
> verses that make it crystal clear none of the muslims with the prophet believed in his revelations
Claim needs citation. It is quite an absurd claim, as if that were indeed the case, then Islam would never have caught on.
> penalty for consistently refusing to comply with sharia, when you know the law and how it applies to you, is death.
Again, citation needed. This is beyond a doubt not the case. Please cite your reference. A Muslim person can, for example, drink alcohol, knowing that it is not permissible, and knowing that there is a punishment if he is caught (lashing). The death penalty will never come into action here, regardless of how many times he repeats this sin.
> I can't say I recall the full set of requirements, but do you seriously argue otherwise ?
I do. Citation needed.
> Knowingly not following sharia is considered apostasy
There are different degrees of apostasy (Kufr), and only one or two of them have the death penalty (e.g. Treason). Furthermore, not any action that constitutes apostasy will result in the person automatically becoming a non-Muslim (much less get the death penalty).
For instance: http://quran.com/5/44
The last part of the verse is: "And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun" (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws).