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by azth 4040 days ago
> How many times do I need to point out references to the "agreement" in the text that is constantly talked about ?

You haven't pointed out any references so far.

> Do you like to tell yourself that that justifies...

You should hear what today's scholars say about this issue. Marriage is not to be forced upon the girl, and if a person (male or female) is not able to tolerate it (physically and mentally), then the marriage contract cannot go through.

Back in the day, marriage at a young age was a norm, and the Prophet Peace be upon him did not commit anything foreign to the culture in this regards. Other people at that time, Muslims and non-Muslims, married young. Even in Western cultures up to a few hundred years ago, we see similar behavior.

I take it it is clear now that Islamically, the ruler is to be elected, and not passed down as you were trying to imply before.

> Note that not even Aisha believed the revelations[1]

The link you pasted was about Fatimah and Ali, Peace be upon them. Please link to the appropriate Hadith.

> verses that make it crystal clear none of the muslims with the prophet believed in his revelations

Claim needs citation. It is quite an absurd claim, as if that were indeed the case, then Islam would never have caught on.

> penalty for consistently refusing to comply with sharia, when you know the law and how it applies to you, is death.

Again, citation needed. This is beyond a doubt not the case. Please cite your reference. A Muslim person can, for example, drink alcohol, knowing that it is not permissible, and knowing that there is a punishment if he is caught (lashing). The death penalty will never come into action here, regardless of how many times he repeats this sin.

> I can't say I recall the full set of requirements, but do you seriously argue otherwise ?

I do. Citation needed.

> Knowingly not following sharia is considered apostasy

There are different degrees of apostasy (Kufr), and only one or two of them have the death penalty (e.g. Treason). Furthermore, not any action that constitutes apostasy will result in the person automatically becoming a non-Muslim (much less get the death penalty).

For instance: http://quran.com/5/44

The last part of the verse is: "And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun" (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws).