[resu_nimda]

Maybe that's a failure of the community who heralded these three as "design led apps"... but for me, these are not "well designed apps", they're pretty apps.

That's exactly the point he's making. He chose these apps because they are high-profile products made by people who are ostensibly industry leaders in design, yet they are not well-designed. He's saying those apps don't solve any problems, they are mostly just "pretty," and he believes that is indicative of a worrying trend in the designer community.

[killerdhmo]

Right, but my point is that who designated these as "design leaders"? One good app in the past? Is a bad app sufficient to strip them of the title?

What makes Medium or Path design led? Can I just state that my app is design led?

>> "It’s now 2014, and I doubt seriously whether I’m alone in feeling a sense of anxiety about how “design” is using its seat at the table."

Why? Look at all the other amazing work that others are doing. Slack is a great call out by RickS. Design has never been more relevant. I'm more optimistic about the role of design today than ever before.

[wodenokoto]

Partly, yes. You can just state that your app is design led. A large part of medium's selling point has been superior design.

Paper sole existence is an original, better interface to Facebook.

Design, as in usability has always been important. The question is, who is able to provide this? Are people who studied design at school good at providing usable designs or pretty designs?

One of the major problems in this debate is that a designers role is sometimes the person who comes in at the end and paints everything to look pretty, and sometimes it's a person who designs the entire user experience.

The danger is if too many desginers can only make it look pretty then management might start to rely on engineers ability to design instead of having an actual, dedicated focus on the design.

[zatkin]

UX designers would be the ones to deal with user experience.

Engineers would be the ones to develop the product's functionality.

What would be the kind of title for someone who "comes in at the end and paints everything to look pretty"?

[jamesdelaneyie]

UI Designer or Visual Designer.