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by jemacniddle 4134 days ago
Carbohydrates are most certainly not 'unhealthy'. Care to cite any sources?
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Carbohydrates are the most likely to cause an insulin response which causes weight gain. I'm not saying they are "unhealthy" but I think we, in the US, eat unhealthy amounts particularly refined sugars.
The insulin response absolutely does not cause excess weight gain by itself. Many people are confused about how it contributes to weight gain. The only significant effect it has is behavioral: for some people it can cause you to feel like you need to eat again sooner. But if you stay calorically balanced, for the purposes of weight management, it really doesn't matter how much of your diet is made up of carbs.

We in the US eat too much period. It's not about which macronutrient we overeat, though carbs tend to be easier to eat a lot of than fats or proteins, and are cheaper to create. But again, the focus needs to be on caloric intake, not on specific macronutrients.

So are you saying insulin + caloric surplus is what causes weight gain? It seems obvious to me that many people handle different types of food differently. For example carbohydrates are going to affect a diabetic differently than someone without out diabetes. Another point is that many bodybuilders are now using insulin to gain weight. They already eat a ton of calories but the hormone itself seems to improve the ability to gain weight.
Nope, I'm saying in a normally functioning human being caloric surplus period is what causes gaining weight. The insulin response is something that has gained a lot of popularity recently because people like complex explanations, but the truth is, as I said, it's pretty inconsequential outside of behavioral impact. It's not that it's not involved, it's that you don't need to understand or manipulate it to gain/lose weight.

It gets tricky in a few places: calories are labeled as the number of calories a food has in it, not the number of calories you net when you factor in the cost to the body of extracting those calories. 200 calories of chicken breasts costs your body more calories than 200 calories of sugar to extract. Especially if you don't end up using the protein to build muscle and convert it to energy. This isn't a massive difference, but it's significant. Regardless, calorie counting is about establishing a baseline and trending downward, not being 100% accurate in your calorie estimations.

As you mentioned, people with specific needs, like diabetics, are going to have different experiences with carbs, but that's a completely different discussion, and not one I know a ton about.

The body builders thing is interesting. I'm a power lifter and I lift with a lot of body builders so I am familiar. Insulin use like this can help the body absorb nutrients more quickly after a workout (specifically carbs, which can help restore glycogen to the muscles which helps with amino acid absorption) but it's not being used without an increase in overall calories (or it shouldn't be). In short, it's helping body builders eat more (especially post workout), not absorb the same amount differently. In my opinion it's a really stupid idea, though when you consider the trash many body builders put in their bodies it's probably less scary than a lot of the supplements and prohormones out there.

"In my opinion it's a really stupid idea, though when you consider the trash many body builders put in their bodies it's probably less scary than a lot of the supplements and prohormones out there."

As someone who has used T, insulin is much more scary. At least with T it's been used for decades, we know how to mitigate the risks and handle side effects. You could easily kill yourself not knowing what you are doing with insulin, or probably make yourself diabetic. These oral prohormones are scary too mostly because of liver toxicity and because people could buy them without really knowing it (when they were/are sold at places like GNC).

Protein can also be fairly insulinogenic.
Protein can be more insulinogenic than carbohydrates. Whey produces a huge insulin spike relative to a fibrous fruit.
Right. Protein breaks down to glucose more than fat does (which is why keto diets recommend moderate protein and high fat). Carbs break down the most into glucose.
> I'm not saying they are "unhealthy"

Umm, I think you did.

You're replying to a different person than the one who stated carbs were unhealthy.
Oh. I thought I'd checked, but I guess I didn't. Sorry, parent.
Carbs are very easy to convert into glucose. A crab-rich meal can easily cause a spike in glucose levels. Glucose gets converted and stored as fat.

Fats and proteins take longer to convert into glucose, and are less likely to cause a glucose spike and subsequent fat storage process.

Carbs are not unhealthy, especially if you can spend the energy immediately. However, it is very easy to consume a large amount of carbs in one go, thus a greater risk for an average person.

See Taubes, Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It (http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Get-Fat-About/dp/0307474259)
Perhaps unhealthy was the wrong choice of word. But the point of the article was talking about the health issues of eating Chipotle. If one of those issues is weight gain then I would most definitely be concerned about the amount of carbohydrates in that food.

I am not nutritionist. I do know that after struggling for a decade of limiting calories and fat, I gave that up, limited myself too 100g carbs / 15g sugar a day, and lost 60 pounds within a year.

I still enjoyed Chipotle, but only the "bowl" variations of their food.

I think what he's saying (although he didn't say it) is that 100 calories of a nice quality meat is better for you than 100 calories of sugar. (And high-GI carbohydrates are easily converted into sugar by the body.)

People fear dietary fat, but it turns out that fat is filling and actually difficult for the body to convert into energy, while carbs are the opposite.