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by Zergy 4139 days ago
> I believe in many cases it is well documented that obesity isn't caused by a lack of self-control.

Please show me the documentation because nearly everything I have read is to the contrary. More specifically I am interested if there are cases where someone eats less than their TDEE and doesn't lose weight or a case where eating at TDEE is unhealthy for some reason.
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UnoriginalGuy 4139 days ago
I have no idea what TDEE is, I assume you mean BMR[0]. Also your post is highly confusing, your first sentence suggests you have evidence that it is all about self control (none provided) but then you say "more specifically" you're talking about BMR/TDEE which is a calculation of your total calorie burn for the day and has nothing to do with the mental elements of obesity/weight gain.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate

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Zergy 4139 days ago
Please don't be condescending when you don't know the basic terminology for the topic being discussed especially when the info is a Google search away.

TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = BMR + Energy expended in a day.

It is very clear concept. Have the self control to master the mental elements and eat less calories than your TDEE and you lose weight. My question do you have research/evidence that disputes this? In my opinion as long as the truth is that being overweight is caused by eating more food than you need, the mentality of "fatty has no self control" is reasonable.

It was certainly true of me 40lbs ago.

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UnoriginalGuy 4139 days ago
> Please don't be condescending when you don't know the basic terminology for the topic being discussed especially when the info is a Google search away.

The only people using "TDEE" are sketchy fitness websites. There is no wikipedia article on the term, and no legitimate medical or scientific sources.

Some studies have used the abbreviation TEE but even then saying BMR would have been clearer and is a well recognised medical term/abbreviation.

The first thing I did was Google TDEE, the first half dozen results are small gyms, or tiny fitness calculators. If you want people not to question your terminology then use more standard terminology.

> My question do you have research/evidence that disputes this?

Do you have evidence that all of weight loss can be boiled down to "just self-control more?" There have been literally hundreds of studies spanning at least 40 years, few if any have found that the key to fighting addictions is just to "self-control more" otherwise we wouldn't have tons of alcoholics, drug addicts, obese people, and so on...

Maybe you should go work at a drug rehab clinic some time. Just keep saying to people "just learn to self control!" and see how far that gets you...

> In my opinion as long as the truth is that being overweight is cause be eating more food than you need to "fatty has no self control" holds true.

And your opinion ignores 40 years of psychological research into addiction. Congratulations to you.

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Zergy 4139 days ago
Can't reply to your latest comment.

Umm I never made a claim, you did and I asked you to back it up. You haven't even tried to do this instead you got defensive and launched personal attacks. So I'll take that as no you have no evidence to support your opinion. What evidence is there that being overweight is not an issue of regulating (this is the self control part) your caloric intake?

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UnoriginalGuy 4139 days ago
You haven't backed up a single one of your claims either, and you've made some pretty big claims ("nearly everything I have read is [that obesity is caused by lack of self-control]").

Also I didn't make a single personal attack. However you have (calling me "condescending"). See we can both play the victim card.

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