[DannyBee]

My how history gets rewritten so quickly.

If you want to assault Andrew's credentials as a staunch defender of free speech, etc, you are going to have to do better than "he worked at Google".

He worked at Google at a time when Google really was on the front lines of defending this stuff, and he was the one doing it.

If you want to blame Google, blame Google. Amac is pretty much unassailable, IMHO. He was on the right side of every legal/policy decision I can think of during his tenure. He eventually left, IMHO, precisely because he saw an opportunity to be a staunch advocate for these kinds of things at twitter.

[gress]

Fair enough. At least you acknowledge that Google no longer stands for these things.

[DannyBee]

I have never claimed Google no longer stands for these things. I just don't believe Google is on the front lines anymore, because people (like you) damn them either way.

[tptacek]

Their security teams do important work, and largely it seems because they profoundly give a shit about these issues. They're still the front line technically.

[gress]

On security, yes. On "free speech, etc.", no.

[gress]

Are you seriously claiming that Google is no longer on the front lines of defending free speech because people like me damn them either way?