[artofstart]

Yes, I met a couple of guys from the pick up community. But I had to travel to meet them and they where not very dedicated or experienced. They where impressed with my skills as I was way better in attracting girls then them. And it was nice for me to have company. But all in all it was not enough to build a friendship. They where much younger then me, we had no mutual interests apart from girls and they where not really dedicated in that field either.

[japhyr]

I hope that you can start to see women as people with whom you can form meaningful relationships, rather than seeing them as "girls" that you need to "pick up".

[artofstart]

Of the things I wrote, what makes you think I do not form meaningful relationships?

[japhyr]

The "pick up" mindset implies a number of things about the kinds of relationships "pick up artists" have with women:

- Calling them "girls" implies they are young and not really in the adult world, and not on an equal level with "men".

- The phrase "pick up" implies that women are objects, to be "picked up", not to be viewed as equals.

- The whole pick up mindset turns dating into a game that men are out to win, rather than it being about finding someone you can build a relationship with.

- The word "dedicated" in this context implies a disturbing commitment to this approach to dealing with women.

I'm responding because my comment was sincere. I hope that people who get into the pick up mindset can recognize the shallowness of that approach, and move on to forming more respectful and lasting relationships with women.

[artofstart]

Neither did I use the term "pick up" in relation to what I do, nor did I imply seeing women as objects. Thats why I asked you to refer to what I wrote.

As for the dedication to become good (which mainly means more self secure and understanding) in the interactions with young beautiful women: Yeah! I would love to meet other guys who are into this. It seems to go against some old fashioned worldview you hold. My reply to this is: Get rid of values that have been drummed into you and start listening to your own feelings!