[duncan_bayne]

Please let's have less of the Islamist propaganda on HN. The article describes hostilities between Palestine and Israel as "entirely avoidable" while silently ignoring the fact that Palestinian groups have the liquidation of the state of Israel as their goal.

This is the private face of Palestinian Islam, courtesy Memri TV:

http://www.memri.org/palestinian-media.html

Read the translated text books, watch the subtitled TV, and see for yourselves what the Intifada is really about.

[lafar6502]

come on, the only propaganda here is your link, totally unrelated to the article. Is any critique of Netanyahu's methods antisemitism?

[duncan_bayne]

No - criticism of Israeli policies is entirely valid, and there are many valid criticisms that could be made, including over this issue. In addition, to clarify my own position, I don't think taxpayers money should be spent on aid to Israel (or any other country for that matter, but that's a different story).

My objection is to the "electronic Intifada" source. I don't think we need to give Jew-haters and would-be ethnic cleaners any publicity on HN. Or, alternatively, we should publicize resources like Memri equally, so that readers can get a clear view of the ideology behind the Intifada.

Also, re my link bring propaganda: it contains translations of Palestinian media into English. If you think that constitutes anti-Palestinian or anti-Islamic propaganda, perhaps you should take the matter up with the Palestinian Muslims who produced the material in the first place.

[irv]

Written by Max Blumenthal though, who I don't think you can correctly describe as a "Jew-hater".

I submitted it because it was interesting, but also referenced the role technology had played in the manipulation of the story.

[duncan_bayne]

No the name is a bit of a giveaway :-) I found the story interesting, and was definitely on topic for HN - hence an up vote and comment from me. I just wanted to make sure that the nature of the Intifada was made clear, lest justifiable criticism of Israel be used as a smokescreen for the far worse behavior of the Mujahideen.

[lafar6502]

I see, you'd rather avoid any talk about unpleasant facts, you'd rather label people Jew-haters and do some murky insinuations about ideology. This is what I call propaganda.

[duncan_bayne]

I don't think I'm making "murky insinuations" at all. I'm saying quite clearly that I think the Intifada is anti-Jewish, not anti-Israeli, that its goal is the destruction of the state of Israel, and that the motivation for both facts stems from Islam itself.

[lafar6502]

And this is an insinuation AFAIK.

[duncan_bayne]

I don't mean to insinuate anything - I'm trying to be clear and direct about my opinion. What do you think I'm insinuating?