[dueprocess]

These typical ads portrait women as play-things to be gawked at rather than someone's daughter, wife and another human being. And they are plain dumb.

But it's so prevalent nowadays that it hardly registers in a conscious way, and I think that's the problem.

As an LDS Christian I go to church and won't watch R rated movies, but even I feel like I've become numb to this kind of objectification of women. And I think it's a serious, serious problem in this society.

[Theodores]

The Mormon church objectifies women albeit with some reverse psychology going on - the need for women to cover up and not dress 'sexy' is just another way to objectify women. Mormon males not watching 'R' movies is the same - reverse psychology. Some women - most women - really do want to be more than some frumpy Mormon daughter/wife/grandma. Furthermore, with the Mormon church there is no room in the priesthood for women - how can you skip that and move on to the objectification debate?

Normally I keep my opinions on the LDS church to myself lest I offend some Mormon, yet, on places like HN I think it is better to encourage the indoctrinated to escape belief in mythical sky gods and false prophets. You need to quit that church and start to see, love, understand and enjoy being with women on a bigger canvas than allowed by your church.

[dueprocess]

In Genesis 2:18 God says He will make Adam an ezer kenegdo (Hebrew). In the context of subduing the earth (Gen 1:28) ezer kenegdo means "strategic ally". An equal to man in every way, ordained with the power to give life. Without the woman, human life could not exist.

The woman was God's final creation. One could convincingly argue He saved the best for last.

[a-t-shirt]

Should women avoid dressing provocatively in public, lest they portray themselves (and thus other women) as non-human beings?

[TeMPOraL]

> These typical ads portrait women as play-things to be gawked at rather than someone's daughter, wife and another human being.

Now here's an objectification - why a woman needs to be someone's wife or daughter? Men on similar pictures are usually also portrayed as models, not husbands or sons. Isn't that sexist? Isn't that misandry?

Honestly, I find most of those gender-related discussions nonsense; it's like autoimmune disease - instead of fighting only diseases, the immune system starts attacking everything around it. You just can't say anything at all about women without being labeled misogynist.

I read an interesting essay on the topic today: http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html. It's not only (or even mostly) about gender issues, but the key quote from the ending:

"My view on feminism isn't really driven by my view on gender relations or women or men or society. It's driven by my view on applause lights, on inability to urge restraint, on death spirals, on anti-charity, on zero-threshold medical testing, on superweapons, and most of all on epistemic hygiene. I don't care how righteous your cause is, you don't get a superweapon so powerful it can pre-emptively vaporize any possible counterargument including the one asking you to please turn off your superweapon and listen for just a second. No one should be able to do that."

[startupstella]

HA! I would love if you could find me a tech event that features overtly sexualized men on the advertisement. That's a challenge.

[mackwic]

Forget the dress, keep the code, an awesome ad by the Drupal crew: http://www.guillaumebaret.fr/IMG/jpg/lecon_5.jpg

You are welcome!

[startupstella]

i like that you had to go completely overseas before finding something. well done.