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by protomyth 4417 days ago
"Fuel cell vehicles have never made any sense."

They have in the sense that I go to a station and fill up then leave in a reasonable amount of time. I don't have to alter my driving habits from the last 50+ years.

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Have you used a vehicle powered by natural gas? I have. For safety reasons, in many places you have to get out of the vehicle while it is being refuelled (the cylinder gets really hot!). And that is a change from your 50+ years driving habit. It also takes longer than a comparable gas pump (even if it is measured in single digit minutes). The gas gauge also reads differently (my guess is due to pressure decreases as gas is consumed).

You can't really expect to radically change tech and have the entire experience be the same.

Not to mention that the only thing preventing one from filling up a tank the way they do with gasoline is battery technology. If they are improved (graphene capacitors?), almost nothing needs to change in the grid.

[EDIT: I am comparing the hydrogen gas stations (which are so rare that might not even exist) to the experience of refilling a compressed natural gas vehicle. It is the closest real world parallel I can think of.]

> Have you used a vehicle powered by natural gas? I have. For safety reasons, in many places you have to get out of the vehicle while it is being refuelled (the cylinder gets really hot!). And that is a change from your 50+ years driving habit. It also takes longer than a comparable gas pump (even if it is measured in single digit minutes). The gas gauge also reads differently (my guess is due to pressure decreases as gas is consumed).

In India, people convert their gasoline based cars to use gas cylinders. The replacement is infrequent and doesn't need to happen as often as much as filling up gasoline.

In Brazil as well, which is where I am coming from.

I did not notice a real decrease in refuelling stops, compared to a gas vehicle. But that is subjective, I haven't measured. That might also be explained by the size of the tanks: most 'converted' vehicles retain their ability to be powered by gasoline by flicking a switch, so the tank cannot be too big and has to go in the trunk.

Almost all conversions are done to decrease costs, most frequently by taxi drivers. As you are required to do annual inspections, it drives up the costs and it is only worth it if you drive long distances in one year.

"Have you used a vehicle powered by natural gas?"

I do believe we are talking about hydrogen fuel cells and hydrogen doesn't seem to act as you describe.

"the only thing preventing one from filling up a tank the way they do with gasoline is battery technology"

Yep, and every year it will be solved next year. I am hopeful but not certain.

How do you fill up the car if you don't get out?
You go to what station? The one a thousand miles away in California?

With an EV, you can "fill up" in your own garage every night, or even while parked at work.

> With an EV, you can "fill up" in your own garage every night, or even while parked at work.

Which requires changes around the world to parking lots, apartments, homes etc.

Most places don't have a power socket for each car space.

Actually, I live in an apartment so no plug there[1] and certainly none at work.

If Toyota goes hydrogen, there will be stations. They can push the tech just as well as Tesla is pushing recharge stations.

1) which actually sucks quite badly in winter since I have nowhere to plug in a head bolt heater.