[corresation]

I'm not "repeating" anyone's propaganda. I've worked in union situations before. I understand the ramifications of unions. As someone who tends to do quite well in this field, unions would be very deleterious for me personally: Unions are as much if not more about "equality" between union members, even where equality is measured by specious metrics (such as seniority), as it is about the employee/employer relationship.

The AMA is not a union by any traditional metric. It is a professional association. If a doctor is lured to a hospital for enormous sums of money, the AMA has absolutely no say over it. Nor do they dictate that another doctor has to be offered the job because they've been practicing for two months longer. Nor do they dictate that the doctor has to be paid for scale grade 7E because to do otherwise would cause resentment among other doctor's.

It would be great to have a professional association (presuming it didn't become too involved in its own enrichment). No thanks to unions.

[xyzzyz]

The AMA is not a union by any traditional metric. It is a professional association. If a doctor is lured to a hospital for enormous sums of money, the AMA has absolutely no say over it. Nor do they dictate that another doctor has to be offered the job because they've been practicing for two months longer. Nor do they dictate that the doctor has to be paid for scale grade 7E because to do otherwise would cause resentment among other doctor's.

Nor does union have to do all that stuff. You're attacking a strawman.

[corresation]

But unions almost always concern themselves with such things. I may be attacking a "strawman" (ergo, how virtually every union on the planet operates), but humorously the salvation is just as much of a strawman, no?

[walshemj]

Its how virtually all Unions don't operate - don't quote the propaganda leveled at craft unionism of the 1800's which has no bearing on real Unions of today.

[vdaniuk]

You constantly speak of "propaganda" in this thread but do not provide any reliable data or citations to support your POV.

[sitkack]

Looks like you are jumping on a bandwagon w/o offering any new argumentation. Echo chamber?

[walshemj]

I don't see any unions representing M&P grades negotiating these sorts of agreements as it woudl not be in the members best interest.

You know the entire uk telecoms infrastructure was revamped with zero fuss about new technology one of the main reasons was all the techies where union members.

And I know one ftse100 CEO was a union member and had been an activist and the CTO of one of the worlds largest phone manufacturers was a member of my branch.

as I said you just repeating folk propaganda based on stories about decades old "craft unions" which have nothing to do with how a union for developers/engineers woudl work

[petit_robert]

Screen writers and actors have a union, both fill some needs that apply to the rank and file but not to stars.

May be the model could work for developers?