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by alanctgardner2
4591 days ago
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> Programming is the critical thinking aspects of developing software and a skill that everyone should master: starting with children. That's pretty much the opposite of my point: programmers want everyone to think like programmers (per your
definition). In my opinion, this kind of "critical" thinking is not necessarily a positive: there are other ways to think critically that don't map well to programming. This seems like the typical HN view that everyone should think like I do. Some people don't get math, or symbolic logic, and that's not stopping them being a value to society. Looking at your profile, it seems like you have a horse in this race. Personally, Visual looks very slick, but I don't think visual representations are really appropriate for programming beyond toys (or maybe data modelling, but not procedural programming). It gets very hard to lay out a large program in 2D space, and the toolbox required to enumerate all the built-ins and libraries seems like a bit of a handicap compared to just typing them. |
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I don't want everyone to think like programmers. I want programmers to think like everyone else and hope some day that everyone can be programmers.
> It seems like you have a horse in this race.
Ya. We do. We've been working on a new development methodology and from that a visual object language and framework. Initially we coded against the framework but have found that you can visually represent usage of the framework equally well.
> really appropriate for programming beyond toys (or maybe data modeling, but not procedural programming)
Funny you say that. I also agree if you are using traditional approaches to software development (aka procedure programming). However, our framework does not use procedural programming per-se in that it has no paramaterized procedures/methods/functions/sub-routines.