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by slowdown 4637 days ago
As a customer who just made a purchase from Adobe a few hours ago, I feel good and horrible at the same time. I feel good that their source code was stolen (I will explain why). I feel bad that my credit card was compromised.

Around November 2011, Apple screwed up one of it's premier softwares (Final cut pro) and Adobe jumped right in and offered a 50% discount to all of its Creative suites (version: 5.5). Their pitch then was - "Apple screwed up, try ours and hey, if you buy the suite, it's yours forever and you get peace of mind". And so I bought the Windows edition of one of their suites. A year later, CS6 was announced and I decided to wait for sometime before upgrading. Just to be clear, I shelled out almost $1000 on the CS 5.5 version.

In the last few months, I made the switch to a Mac and I found out that my license for Windows wouldn't work on a Mac. Fortunately, Adobe seemed to provide a "crossgrade" path, wherein I can just swap my platform at no additional cost. Sounds good? No. Except that you can't swap from an older version (CS 5.5) to a newer version (CS 6). You can only switch between platforms of the two same versions. Okay, that's in a way fair enough, since it's been over a year anyway and it's time to upgrade. So, let me just upgrade to CS6, I thought.

This is where it started to get messy. I searched for links to upgrade to CS6, and I did find a few. But they all re-directed to the stupid Creative Cloud edition. WTF?

[1] http://www.adobe.com/mena_en/products/creativesuite.html‎

I searched and searched and finally found a link that worked. I placed an order and 24 hours later, my order was cancelled for no reason. I had to search for that link I found earlier, again. After giving up finding the link, upon contacting customer support, I was tried to be pushed into the stupid Creative Cloud platform, again.

    Support: Based on what we have discussed I highly recommend that you purchase Creative Cloud which includes Photoshop CC for images, Indesign CC for print design, Illustrator CC for graphics, Flash Pro CC for animations, After effects CC for adding effects and plus more.
    Support: Plus you will get all the upgrades and updates for free of cost.
    Support: You can install CC on 2 system both on mac/ Windows.
    Support: I am sure CC will meet all your requirements.
    you: Oh no thank you, please. It doesn't fit my budget. Once I stop paying, everything is gone, unlike in the case of a CS 6 install.
    Support: I do understand your concern, however, going forward there is no upgrade path available since CC is replaced by CS6.
    (WTF)?

    you: Do you mean to say, that I can't upgrade from Cs 5.5 to 6?
    Support: The upgrade path from CS6 to CS7 is not available, since CC is replaced by CS7.
    you: Yes, I understand that.
    you: I don't need CC ma'am, really.
    you: It doesn't fit my needs.
    Support: That's okay.
    Support: Let me provide you with the link to upgrade to CS6 production premium, okay.
(Finally!)

It's funny I had to spend so much time with support to purchase CS6, since Adobe clearly conveys that it intends to sell CS6 indefinitely. [2]http://www.adobe.com/products/cs6/faq.html

Even though the support person gave me the link to buy CS6, I thought it would be a good idea to probably re-consider CC again. So I checked on the Creative Cloud page to see if I could just pay $45 for say, about two months and later upgrade to CS6. But, again, Adobe tries to backstab its users. IF you cancel your CC subscription before 1 year, you will be billed 50% of the total amount (50% of ($45x12)) as a penalty. WTF?!! So, basically they want to beat their users to the ground as much as they can.

I decided to try alternatives, because I really wanted only a good Photoshop-like program and nothing else more (at that point). So, I searched, but I couldn't find. Now, this is highly deceptive on Adobe's part because they play a monopoly role clearly and they decided to backstab their users all of a sudden.

There is no easy way to buy CS6, there is no easy way to subscribe to CC for just a few months and the calculations they demonstrate are also deceptive at best. CC is more expensive than the boxed product.

One of my friends is a blogger, he has a huge follower count. Adobe contacted him and gave him a free 1 year subscription to CC. I was curious and I found a lot of bloggers reporting the same. One thing that was common in most of these Adobe contacted bloggers' posts, was how their stress to explain how the CC version was effectively cheaper than their boxed version.

So basically Adobe is indirectly bribing bloggers to write good stuff about their CC subscription.

Adobe's CEO is an incompetent backstabber who is totally fit for nothing. This was the same guy who argued with Steve Jobs that Flash on mobile rocks and later discontinued it. Backstab #1. I was a Flash developer previously. I was even jobless for a few days because I relied so much on this technology.

Adobe's CEO also backstabbed the much capable Flex eco-system. Do you know how many Flex developers are jobless now? Backstab #2.

And the Creative cloud (CC). Backstab #3.

That is why I feel happy that their source code was stolen. I was a genuine customer amongst a million others who just wanted to pay ONCE to use my software. I could have pirated like many others, but I didn't. I trusted them. But they took a U turn and decided to shoot us in the back.

Also, this guy is never straightforward: http://gizmodo.com/5984191/adobes-ceo-completely-refuses-to-...

This guy is incompetent and needs to be replaced. Atleast someone should file a class action suit for abusing their monopoly.

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I understand you feel cheated Adobe, but I feel the need to present their side of the story.

> But, again, Adobe tries to backstab its users. IF you cancel your CC subscription before 1 year, you will be billed 50% of the total amount (50% of ($45x12)) as a penalty. WTF?!! So, basically they want to beat their users to the ground as much as they can.

What you call 'beat their users to the ground' I call 'charge fees which maximise their profit'. They are not being deceptive - their price list clearly states, "Requires annual commitment; billed monthly" [1]

> There is no easy way to buy CS6

If you Google "buy adobe cs6" the first result [2] allows you to buy a CS6 'Master Collection' licence for $2,599. Just click 'buy' then 'Add to cart'. Seems pretty easy to me.

> there is no easy way to subscribe to CC for just a few months

Not true - as pointed out by estel, you can easily subscribe for $75 per month. I think by 'easy' you mean 'cheap'

> the calculations they demonstrate are also deceptive at best

Can you provide a link to the deceptive calculations? Because to me the price list [1] seems to be fairly straightforward and honest

> CC is more expensive than the boxed product.

Doesn't that depend on how long you use the software for? You can buy a single month for $75 - I doubt that you can get the boxed product for cheaper than that.

> One thing that was common in most of these Adobe contacted bloggers' posts, was how their stress to explain how the CC version was effectively cheaper than their boxed version.

If it is true that Adobe implicitly says, "write good things about us and we'll give you free stuff" then I agree that this is pretty bad behaviour. (But if they say, "here is some free stuff, please write good things about us" then that would be OK as long as the blogger notes in their review that they had received the free stuff.) The fact that bloggers who received free stuff had previously wrote good things about Adobe is not sufficient to convict Adobe of indirect bribing. It could be that the bloggers who did not receive free stuff also wrote good things about Adobe (ie. their products are generally viewed positively)

> Backstab #1. I was a Flash developer previously. I was even jobless for a few days because I relied so much on this technology…Do you know how many Flex developers are jobless now? Backstab #2.

It sucks to lose your job, but is it really 'backstabbing' for Adobe to drop support for a platform they developed? For all software I expect the companies who develop it to say "this is a great product and we fully support it" right up until they day they drop that support. It's not like Adobe said, "we will support this product until at least 2015".

> [The CEO] is never straightforward...This guy is incompetent and needs to be replaced.

Personally I think it is very straightforward to say, "I refuse to discuss our pricing strategy with you". But in any case the CEO's job is to maximise profits - and using the strength of Adobe's market position to charge nosebleed prices sounds to me like he is doing just that. Not at all incompetent.

> At least someone should file a class action suit for abusing their monopoly.

It's not necessarily illegal to have a monopoly and charge a very high price for your products.

[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.htm...

[2] http://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilt...

> Around November 2011, Apple screwed up one of it's premier softwares (Final cut pro)

I understand why you would say that, but I don’t agree. At the time, I used Final Cut Pro 7 daily and when Final Cut Pro X was released, I didn’t immediately switch to it. I waited for multicam editing and XML export, and Apple delivered. That’s when I switched to Final Cut Pro X and it was a great improvement over version 7. When Adobe came up with Creative Cloud, I signed up. That meant I got Adobe Premiere as part of the package, but after trying it, I still much preferred Final Cut Pro 7. Comparing Premiere and Final Cut Pro X, for me, it’s not even a contest. With Final Cut Pro X, I’m way more productive than I ever was in FCP 7, Avid, Premiere or Media100.

Apple could’ve done better by offering the first few releases of FCP X as a free beta, but right now, FCP X is a way better product than FCP 7 ever was.

My argument is not about which of the two companies' products are better. Probably Apple's is better, but the creative suite at a 50% off was a deal not to be missed for me at that time (It included Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premier and Audition)
Oh, I’m not disputing that, and I too took advantage of that offer. I’m still very happy with Creative Cloud, with its more frequent updates and lower pricing. Premiere just isn’t for me. (I did use Premiere extensively back in the 90s, but that was before FireWire, digital camcorders, and FCP.)
> there is no easy way to subscribe to CC for just a few months

Isn't that what the monthly plan does [0]? $75 / month rather than $50, but with the option to only pay for individual months. I think they said they were originally thinking of freelancers who might only take on work that involved using CC a few times a year.

[0] http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.htm...

$75 a month is pretty expensive for many freelancers and the only reason I considered CC in the first place was I got a 40$ discount of $30/mo, but again the penalty applied, so I didn't buy it. Sorry for not mentioning this in the parent post.
I challenge this. How much does a creative designer make as a freelancer? My company hires designers for $60 an hour minimum and often more. So in 75 minutes you make back a months worth of software fees? $75 is not a lot of money to a professional who has to create graphics.

For a teen who wants to edit their iPhone photos before uploading to Facebook, $75 per month would be a lot. But that's not Adobe's target market.

You maybe right that I can make up this $60 somehow. But the question isn't about the cost (sorry if my post was misleading). The question was about the ownership.

For example, assume, depending on where you live, your favorite manufacturer, who is also a monopoly, Volkswagen if you're in Europe, Ford/Chevy if you're in the States sells you cars for a fixed price and you're very happy.

So let's say the price of each car they sell you is $25,000. You pay once and forget and you own the car. Forever. Assume this car is very solid and you plan to own it for a good 5-7 years. For a span of 5 years, that translates to $5000 a year.

Now, suddenly, Volkswagen/Ford/Chevy decide that one time payments suck and you need to pay monthly, say $1000.

Their argument is that for $1000/mo for 2 years you spend $24,000 in total and that is less than what you would pay one time. Well, if you were the kind of person who would upgrade once in every two years, that is fine. It is really a $1000 cheaper. But for the average dude who upgrades his car once in 4-5 years, it's a disaster.

His current car's value reduces drastically because of this monthly scheme. And to access any sort of updates to his car, he needs to pay monthly, and this monthly payment includes a penalty as well, if you decide to cancel sometime in between.

That sucks right? I know people who are still on CS3, CS4, CS5 because it just works for them and fits their needs.Now these manufacturers tell you that you can still buy an older model from their store and make it extremely difficult and dodgy to buy one. That's cheated right? Especially considering the fact that there are a lot of car robbers who rob cars from their factory (but by cloning the car and leaving the original copy behind) and get away without paying anything. Now, how bad would you feel for paying for such a nasty corporation?

That's exactly how I feel right now.

> Now, suddenly, Volkswagen/Ford/Chevy decide that one time payments suck and you need to pay monthly, say $1000.

Adobe would say that it might be more comparable to your car manufacturer upgrading your car every time they released a new model.

> His current car's value reduces drastically because of this monthly scheme.

The value of what his current car has reduced because they released a new model, not because of the new scheme (and CS6 hasn't depreciated in price that much!)

> And to access any sort of updates to his car, he needs to pay monthly, and this monthly payment includes a penalty as well, if you decide to cancel sometime in between.

Just like every other 12 month contract ever? It's pretty clearly labelled that it's an annual contract, and that there are recurring monthly contracts available for a higher cost.

> Now these manufacturers tell you that you can still buy an older model from their store and make it extremely difficult and dodgy to buy one.

As MarkMc said, it's not especially hard to buy CS6. All the top search results for "buy cs6" allow me to buy it pretty immediately.

Sure, they definitely upsell CC, but they also see that as their new and better product: is it really dishonest or nasty of them to do so?

If you're not earning at least the $75 a month doing the things Adobe's software suite is aimed at (graphical work, video work, etc) you probably need to up your rates. Bearing in mind there's only a cost in this scenario during months you're working with the software, if you've got just the 1 job for (for example) $50 in a month don't accept the job or charge more for it.