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by thecodeore 4694 days ago
I do not believe, support, or accept "democracy" or mob rule. I do not believe the "majority" has the moral right to lay claim to my labor or the product there of, nor tell me how to live my life. I believe in Non-Aggression Principle and the voluntary exchange of goods and services

You are correct in I do not exist in an island, however I do VOLUNTARILY exchange my labor for goods and services, this is society, not the immoral democratic structure you call "government". Government is a vile, evil entity that seeks to destroy society not build upon it.

>police protection,

Police are not today, and never have been a protectionarly unit, you can not cite any case law, or evidence to support that belief, if they were there would not be the need for self defense, private security, and entire industry producing goods and services for protecting one's self

Police are a Harassment and control mechanism for the state to force arbitrary laws and regulations passed by special interests, the majority or other such groups. They are nothing more than a gang of thugs.

>fire protection,

Historically Fire Protection was provided quite well and for a much lower cost privately, infact come counties are going back to that model.

Today I live in a Region with a 100% VOLUNTEER fire protection services that is supported by VOLUNTARY DONATIONS by the community, instead of violent forced collections. Our fire services is the best in the region with faster response times then the surrounding areas where they are paid to sit on their asses all day with money stolen from the community.

>military protection,

Most of the Military Budget today is used for Unjust and immoral wars, and immoral surveillance. I, just as our founders, do not believe in a Standing Army.

>paved roads,

A good % of roads are PRIVATE roads, further public roads can be funded exclusively with user fees which I have no problems with, as if your using the road you should pay for them, however they should not be funded with Income Taxation, Property Taxation, etc.

>functioning traffic signals and signs

See Above

>groomed parks,

Parks are not a proper role of government, I have never used a City Park, have no desire to use a City Park, and my money should not be stolen from me to pay for a city park

>trash collection (some places),

I have a private collection service that I pay monthly

>up to sixteen years of education,

Calling government schooling an "education" is laughable at best

>enforcement of workplace safety standards,

A System of Strict liability would be better for that

>financial protection if you become suddenly disabled,

I have private Long and Short term disability insurance, even if I did not that should be done via community charities not through the forced taking of other peoples money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

> a legal system in which to resolve disputes.

The legal system should be paid for by the people that make use of it.

2 comments

I see today was your 15th birthday and your parents finally let you onto the Internet. Congratulations.

That said, there are a number of externalities that you're not thinking of. The simplest is: without a government, what's to stop someone from walking into your house and killing you? Every incentive says they should: free money, no consequences.

Another is: if we privatize everything, then only the wealthy get the benefits of having a society. Privatized workplace safety enforcement, for example, would ensure that only those rich enough to afford a lawsuit could get justice if injured in an unsafe environment. That's just stupid.

Why is that the every statist I encounter always believe those that want to live a life free of coercion and institutionalized violence must be a teen?

I am more than likely your Senior, it is infact youth that believes that government is required for a functional society, that government some how makes society better with age comes the wisdom to understand the true evil of government

>That said, there are a number of externalities that you're not thinking of. The simplest is: without a government, what's to stop someone from walking into your house and killing you? Every incentive says they should: free money, no consequences.

Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg

Its not that they are statists. Its that you present everything in hyperbolic absurdities. You want to make everything you do voluntary yet think that it will somehow lead to a world where everything is rainbows and unicorns, because like a teen you refuse to accept the world doesn't give a shit about you, nor does everyone think or act as you pretend you would in such a fantasy land
Statism is the belief that a government should control either economic or social policy, or both, to some degree. Statism is believe the state should exist, any person that support the state, even a minimal state is a Statist.

>You want to make everything you do voluntary yet think that it will somehow lead to a world where everything is rainbows and unicorns,

Not at all, infact it is statists that believe in Utopia, believe that if they use "just enough violence" they can force everyone to behave as they want.

1. Stop being stupid. You know I didn't declare people to not be statists but instead declared that statism snt what made them think you are a teenager. The disingenuous way you used my reply to grandstand is a great teenage doucher move tho.

2. Can you provide the slightest evidence that what you advocate turns out any way other than somalia? By this I mean actual historical evidence... not hour wishful thinking or ranting about force and violence. Evidence is not the same as you letting out your opression fetish. No one cares how you get off, we just want evidence of your idiotic claims.

What about money? Do you do all your business in BTC, or perhaps thecodollars? Facilitating the exchange of your goods and services is significant in itself.

Incidentally, Vanuatu is a place with zero income taxes (unless you're a landlord), happy people, and good weather. Perhaps you should consider moving there if you want a strict user-pays-for-service system?